Kix

Jokinere has probably already made enquiries....

However Remy hasn't been convicted yet....

mikewot

Walter William Grantham enlisted in the Royal Fusiliers regiment of the British Army in 1962, at the age of 15. On 3 December 1966 he attempted to rob a taxi driver, Felix Reese, in Osnabrück, Lower Saxony, West Germany. A struggle between Grantham and the driver followed, and Reese died from a gunshot wound to the head. He was subsequently convicted of murder.

Grantham was sentenced to life imprisonment at his trial in 1967. Although he had committed the murder in West Germany, he served the entirety of his imprisonment in various British prisons. This was because soldiers and officers convicted of any criminal offence that warrants a sentence of over two years are automatically transferred to Her Majesty's Prison Service, since they are also automatically dishonourably discharged. Grantham was released in 1977, having served 10 years.

Dumbo

I should hope not or he wouldn't have been scoring goals against Hull at the weekend. But the important word in your sentance could be 'yet'.

jam25mack

Every day's a school day!

Also - Phil Spector, Sid Vicious, Snoop Dogg, Don King....... OJ....

UKCityGent

I agree with Norm - he has paid his debt

I would rather see him training hard, and be an active member of society, rather than hanging on street corners hanging with other prisoner friends learning a "new trade".

the_red_sheep

Didn't know about Dirty Den. The above seem f**ked up to me, if the sentence is called 'life' that's what it should be. If it's 20 years with a chance to be out in 10 then say so.

As for the rapey footballer, you can't deny someone the chance to make a living. The fact that his most profitable talents are ones with which bring a public profile is not his fault. Whether he should use his profile and wealth, and whether out of moral obligation, guilt, or for the PR, do more to help the victim, other victims, other young offenders is arguable.

britexpat76

I wonder what sort of chants he would get from the terraces?

Deny him football and I would think there is a higher than average chance he would re offend.............. He would also have to keep his nose very clean as he would be an easy target for a honeytrap etc with his previous.

britexpat76

I wonder what sort of chants he would get from the terraces?

Deny him football and I would think there is a higher than average chance he would re offend.............. He would also have to keep his nose very clean as he would be an easy target for a honeytrap etc with his previous.

kittycat1

my personal thoughts are no- working as a footballer you are in a place of privilege and a role model- would you want him representing the uk in the World Cup? It's more than just a game its meant to be a gentlemans game. Yes he has served his time in the courts eyes- he's still a rapist though. Whilst I understand other players have also been convicted of various crimes- drink driving/ rape/ violent crimes I also think they should receive bans. If he is truly reformed then he would not be a harm to anyone and whatever job he does he should not be a risk to women- however he has gang raped a woman and should not be in the public eye - in my opinion. If he is made an example of perhaps people might start to behave as they should rather than serving a few years in a cosy cell. Would he get a job easily anywhere- no not with that history. He ****ed up his life when he raped a woman. For me employing him is selling your soul- he's a convicted rapist- ok he's a decent footballer, but turning a blind eye to his past is an insult to any woman who has been raped.

Kix

Whilst I can see your point of view Kitty, to take that further would mean that anyone who had ever committed any crime ever, would be unemployed for life. So the chances of them doing something else in order just to eat will be a lot higher.

And to be fair we don't know the exact circumstances of the offense.

Some women who willingly co-operate do then feel bad about it afterwards and go to the cops.

Not saying that happened in this case, just sayin'.

Kix

Whilst I can see your point of view Kitty, to take that further would mean that anyone who had ever committed any crime ever, would be unemployed for life. So the chances of them doing something else in order just to eat will be a lot higher.

And to be fair we don't know the exact circumstances of the offense.

Some women who willingly co-operate do then feel bad about it afterwards and go to the cops.

Not saying that happened in this case, just sayin'.

weasel decentral

Convicted of the gang rape of a 14 year old seems above any doubt in his case.

Kix

And I agree, however KC basically stated she would never employ someone who had ever been convicted of anything.

That's me out then.

seven seas

Theory- he has served his time, he should get a clean slate and a chance to rejoin society. So, he can do something that's actually useful, rather than being an overpaid actor in a silly show. He ought to try rugby if he like sports so much.

Reality- the girl's family can now find out where he is and do the right thing.

As for girls 'cooperating' (nice choice of words there. Classy.) and then feeling bad about it and going to the police: you're a gem.

And they said discrimination was more subtle these days!

jam25mack

Why would playing rugby be any different? It's still a game and in the public eye. Or is this a standard wanky 'rugby's a mans game and footballs for poofs' type of comment?

No agreeing or disagreeing but are you now saying vigilantism is OK? And if the family did 'do the right thing' and then got caught would it be OK for them to play professional football afterwards? Or is that different?

He wasn't saying it happened in this case, however there is no getting away from it, it does happen. Personally I think the sentence for crying rape when is wasn't is far to lax. Just accusing someone ruins there life and if its billy bullshit mud still sticks. The sentences should be comparable.

By your comments above you are just as bad.