Seeing as we talk so much about the media
#47
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 227
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
You're telling the wrong person, I don't support the War on Terror. It's a farce based mostly of fueling the industrial military complex of the USA rather than bringing the light to Iraq etc. I hate how Western leaders are too scared to promote our culture as better, link up with Islamic reformists and secularists in the Muslim world who also admit there are some rotten things that can no longer be taken seriously in the texts and stop pandering to OPEC while they're at it to.
Whilst going after Saddam wasn't a bad thing, the reasons were. Still what's done is done. Afganistan is a similar beast done for half and half reasons. I am old fashioned and believe if you are going to invade a country do it properly, dominate them and stamp your culture on them...or don't bother, it's not a pleasant business.
N.
Whilst going after Saddam wasn't a bad thing, the reasons were. Still what's done is done. Afganistan is a similar beast done for half and half reasons. I am old fashioned and believe if you are going to invade a country do it properly, dominate them and stamp your culture on them...or don't bother, it's not a pleasant business.
N.
Last edited by WakeUp; Jul 26th 2011 at 8:51 am.
#49
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
My mistake, I should have been a wee bit more specific in response to your questions: So which group commits more acts of terrorism than Muslims? Suicide bombings are not the only way to commit terrorism.
ter•ror•ism/ˈterəˌrizəm/
Definition: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of social and political aims
*Western governments/Coalition forces – Political and Social (violence and intimidation) examples: Iraq – oil, Afghanistan – in response to Spy plan incident in China and subsequent Chinese humiliation of US government. Link?? US wanted a base in the region to intimidate Chinese.
*African dictators – Social and Political (violence and intimidation)
*Serbs – Social and Political (violence and intimidation)
*Israel - Social and Political (violence and intimidation)
*Robert Mugabe's regime - Social and Political (violence and intimidation)
*Nutters on the road - Social (intimidation)
*Drug cartels – social and political (violence and intimidation)
*Bankers – social and political (intimidation)
*Media - right-wing extremists etc... social and political (intimidation)
Hope this time it makes sense, before you open your history books or someone call me a crack addict
As for Israel, I am not in the same camp as the blindly pro-Arab – anti-Israel lobby. I believe that Israel has a right to exist and defend itself but I don’t agree with their tactics and heinous crimes against humanity/innocent people. Also, I agree with your facts about the Turks but don't forget the world wars....
My statement about "mucking around" is not flawed, that's my opinion but I know no one is open to that as it would be against their social and political aims.
Yes, I agree that native Europeans and those who have fully adopted their culture have a valid point in questioning immigration policy that doesn't demand full integration and respect of their values. Unfortunately, you live in a more global world now and if you want to turn the clock backwards then you would have to a) convenience fellow natives who agree with you and happy to live in isolation on a continent and b) select an appropriate government that would fulfil your demands.
ter•ror•ism/ˈterəˌrizəm/
Definition: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of social and political aims
*Western governments/Coalition forces – Political and Social (violence and intimidation) examples: Iraq – oil, Afghanistan – in response to Spy plan incident in China and subsequent Chinese humiliation of US government. Link?? US wanted a base in the region to intimidate Chinese.
*African dictators – Social and Political (violence and intimidation)
*Serbs – Social and Political (violence and intimidation)
*Israel - Social and Political (violence and intimidation)
*Robert Mugabe's regime - Social and Political (violence and intimidation)
*Nutters on the road - Social (intimidation)
*Drug cartels – social and political (violence and intimidation)
*Bankers – social and political (intimidation)
*Media - right-wing extremists etc... social and political (intimidation)
Hope this time it makes sense, before you open your history books or someone call me a crack addict
As for Israel, I am not in the same camp as the blindly pro-Arab – anti-Israel lobby. I believe that Israel has a right to exist and defend itself but I don’t agree with their tactics and heinous crimes against humanity/innocent people. Also, I agree with your facts about the Turks but don't forget the world wars....
My statement about "mucking around" is not flawed, that's my opinion but I know no one is open to that as it would be against their social and political aims.
Yes, I agree that native Europeans and those who have fully adopted their culture have a valid point in questioning immigration policy that doesn't demand full integration and respect of their values. Unfortunately, you live in a more global world now and if you want to turn the clock backwards then you would have to a) convenience fellow natives who agree with you and happy to live in isolation on a continent and b) select an appropriate government that would fulfil your demands.
I think if we define terrorism this way almost any armed group on the planet is a prime candidate. I was thinking more of non-official groups who deliberately target civilians to achieve their aims rather than defined military structures since by the definition you give every conflict is terrorism which I don't think it true (war is terrifying yes, but not always terrorism).
I don't think the media really gives us the full picture on Israel, which isn't a perfect state of course. I do feel it's 'better' than all of it's neighbours and more trustworthy too. After seeing things like the Pallywood documentaries I was forced to re-examine my stance on the Palestinians too - there's a huge media spin about the entire conflict which is covering the basic fact that the Arab states could have ended it 50 years ago by absorbing Arab refugees and recognising Israel (which already has many Arab citizens). Population exchange has worked in the case of the Eastern European Germans for example.
I don't think native Europeans and those who have 'gone local' are after isolation and inbreeding (well, except in Alabama ) in a global world. I hold similar sentiments and would be aghast at the prospect of everyone living like that (but I suppose that's their choice). There are of course, truly racist people in every tribe but I feel they are a minority (and what is called racism today in Europe often is not anyway). I only advocate a system where we don't give passports to people who are not demonstrating cultural conversion and hold similar views - visit and work visas for everyone else, treated as guests with honour and hospitality until they 'convert' or go home in peace and friendship. I see the current and past, unbridled immigration system as a threat to native culture and identity, already under assault to the point where we have to go looking for examples of British culture on these forums despite most of us being born there
Many people share my views, people of different colours not just the native pedigrees...people who see this as the only way we can avoid more inter-ethnic conflict within countries in the future which only further enable nutters like the Norwegian gunman.
N.
#50
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
Not liking a religion/culture/ideology or aspects of it is not racism or even close to racism. You're simply unhappy that I won't buy into the Party line Narrative and believe in the 'all religions are equal and peaceful', especially the monotheistic faiths. You're so unhappy I see them this way you're willing to accuse me of being a BNP supporter, a racist and a bigot it would seem.
Ironically I would be the last person the BNP would want in their ranks as a Libertarian, British Neo-Con. However, like political parties I am sure there are points we all agree on. I have even been known to agree with Labour on occassion...doesn't mean I'd join them or vote for them
Islam, like any other religion or doctrine or ideology is open to criticism. And since Muslims come in all colours under the sun please do explain how it's racist to comment on it's negative aspects as a system or it's place as a source of inspiration for Jihadist movements looking to bring in a global caliphate? We can also talk about it's positive aspects for many people to but that's another topic don't you think?
Feel free to do this in a separate thread or by PM, but please refrain from accusations of racism. You don't know me at all.
N.
Ironically I would be the last person the BNP would want in their ranks as a Libertarian, British Neo-Con. However, like political parties I am sure there are points we all agree on. I have even been known to agree with Labour on occassion...doesn't mean I'd join them or vote for them
Islam, like any other religion or doctrine or ideology is open to criticism. And since Muslims come in all colours under the sun please do explain how it's racist to comment on it's negative aspects as a system or it's place as a source of inspiration for Jihadist movements looking to bring in a global caliphate? We can also talk about it's positive aspects for many people to but that's another topic don't you think?
Feel free to do this in a separate thread or by PM, but please refrain from accusations of racism. You don't know me at all.
N.
Im not unhappy - No situation or person dictates to me how i feel - I understand myself and am very confident of my abilities so do not allow a situation to control me. If I did that i would have departed this life a long time ago !
There is a difference between not liking a religion and almost pure hatred of it - your messages seem to display an uncontrollable anger of it - almost as if you cannot control something. Let it out - be at peace with yourself.
This hatred permanates to any conversation - judging by a quick flick thru most of the threads you seem to be able to twist and turn anything into religion and then go bashing into Islam - which on your admission you have no educated (via a recognised path) experience on. Just as you can make that assumption - then if anyone reading your threads and may be led fairly confidently to assume your a racist (not that I am calling you a racist).
I believe your source for the 15+K people killed by acts of terrorism would probably be a right wing site which has its own agenda, is this something you read often ?
What else does this site offer - does it seek to understand and resolve the issue or does it call a whole religion of 1.5B people to be treated as 2nd class citizens or who should be removed from the West etc ?
Have a good day and remember to relax, smile and breathe
#51
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
Good response.
I think if we define terrorism this way almost any armed group on the planet is a prime candidate. I was thinking more of non-official groups who deliberately target civilians to achieve their aims rather than defined military structures since by the definition you give every conflict is terrorism which I don't think it true (war is terrifying yes, but not always terrorism).
I don't think the media really gives us the full picture on Israel, which isn't a perfect state of course. I do feel it's 'better' than all of it's neighbours and more trustworthy too. After seeing things like the Pallywood documentaries I was forced to re-examine my stance on the Palestinians too - there's a huge media spin about the entire conflict which is covering the basic fact that the Arab states could have ended it 50 years ago by absorbing Arab refugees and recognising Israel (which already has many Arab citizens). Population exchange has worked in the case of the Eastern European Germans for example.
I don't think native Europeans and those who have 'gone local' are after isolation and inbreeding (well, except in Alabama ) in a global world. I hold similar sentiments and would be aghast at the prospect of everyone living like that (but I suppose that's their choice). There are of course, truly racist people in every tribe but I feel they are a minority (and what is called racism today in Europe often is not anyway). I only advocate a system where we don't give passports to people who are not demonstrating cultural conversion and hold similar views - visit and work visas for everyone else, treated as guests with honour and hospitality until they 'convert' or go home in peace and friendship. I see the current and past, unbridled immigration system as a threat to native culture and identity, already under assault to the point where we have to go looking for examples of British culture on these forums despite most of us being born there
Many people share my views, people of different colours not just the native pedigrees...people who see this as the only way we can avoid more inter-ethnic conflict within countries in the future which only further enable nutters like the Norwegian gunman.
N.
I think if we define terrorism this way almost any armed group on the planet is a prime candidate. I was thinking more of non-official groups who deliberately target civilians to achieve their aims rather than defined military structures since by the definition you give every conflict is terrorism which I don't think it true (war is terrifying yes, but not always terrorism).
I don't think the media really gives us the full picture on Israel, which isn't a perfect state of course. I do feel it's 'better' than all of it's neighbours and more trustworthy too. After seeing things like the Pallywood documentaries I was forced to re-examine my stance on the Palestinians too - there's a huge media spin about the entire conflict which is covering the basic fact that the Arab states could have ended it 50 years ago by absorbing Arab refugees and recognising Israel (which already has many Arab citizens). Population exchange has worked in the case of the Eastern European Germans for example.
I don't think native Europeans and those who have 'gone local' are after isolation and inbreeding (well, except in Alabama ) in a global world. I hold similar sentiments and would be aghast at the prospect of everyone living like that (but I suppose that's their choice). There are of course, truly racist people in every tribe but I feel they are a minority (and what is called racism today in Europe often is not anyway). I only advocate a system where we don't give passports to people who are not demonstrating cultural conversion and hold similar views - visit and work visas for everyone else, treated as guests with honour and hospitality until they 'convert' or go home in peace and friendship. I see the current and past, unbridled immigration system as a threat to native culture and identity, already under assault to the point where we have to go looking for examples of British culture on these forums despite most of us being born there
Many people share my views, people of different colours not just the native pedigrees...people who see this as the only way we can avoid more inter-ethnic conflict within countries in the future which only further enable nutters like the Norwegian gunman.
N.
Thanks Norm
#52
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
Hey N,
Im not unhappy - No situation or person dictates to me how i feel - I understand myself and am very confident of my abilities so do not allow a situation to control me. If I did that i would have departed this life a long time ago !
There is a difference between not liking a religion and almost pure hatred of it - your messages seem to display an uncontrollable anger of it - almost as if you cannot control something. Let it out - be at peace with yourself.
Im not unhappy - No situation or person dictates to me how i feel - I understand myself and am very confident of my abilities so do not allow a situation to control me. If I did that i would have departed this life a long time ago !
There is a difference between not liking a religion and almost pure hatred of it - your messages seem to display an uncontrollable anger of it - almost as if you cannot control something. Let it out - be at peace with yourself.
This hatred permanates to any conversation - judging by a quick flick thru most of the threads you seem to be able to twist and turn anything into religion and then go bashing into Islam - which on your admission you have no educated (via a recognised path) experience on. Just as you can make that assumption - then if anyone reading your threads and may be led fairly confidently to assume your a racist (not that I am calling you a racist).
You've already gone down the path of trying to silence criticism by effectively stating no one is allowed to say anything about Islam unless they are an Islamic scholar or are educated by one. In essence - join the system before commenting on it or your comments are invalid. It's a good thing there are wiser and more educated men than me and you who have studied Islam extensively and come away with criticisms - this has been going on since the early days of Islam, some of it's earliest critics were Persians and even Arabs were they not? Muhammad al Warraq, Ibn al-Rawandi, Al-Ma'arri, Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi.
The fact is terms like "Islamophobia" and "anti-Muslim bigotry" are often used in response to legitimate criticism of fundamentalist Islam and problems within Muslim culture, which shows how fragile the system is and how much Muslims dislike criticism from outside. It also makes it harder to spot the really crazed people who are truly full of hate when anyone who doesn't paint Islam in a positive light is a 'hater'.
I believe your source for the 15+K people killed by acts of terrorism would probably be a right wing site which has its own agenda, is this something you read often ?
What else does this site offer - does it seek to understand and resolve the issue or does it call a whole religion of 1.5B people to be treated as 2nd class citizens or who should be removed from the West etc ?
What else does this site offer - does it seek to understand and resolve the issue or does it call a whole religion of 1.5B people to be treated as 2nd class citizens or who should be removed from the West etc ?
"It is irresponsible in this situation to try to expand his list of victims even further, from hundreds to hundreds of millions of people, by exploiting this atrocity to shut down vital political debates about immigration, Multiculturalism, or Islam in multiple countries. It cannot be allowed to happen.
That monster has already executed many people. He should not be allowed to execute political freedom in the Western world as well." - Fjordman, Gates of Vienna blog.
You can almost feel the thuggish racism in these words can't you? Obviously another potential bomber in the making.
You too - everyone should learn to relax more.
N.
#53
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
If you think I am uncontrollably angry at religion, and Islam in particular you're either not reading my posts very well or I'm not posting very clearly. I think it's the former as most people, even the people who disagree with me haven't accused me uncontrollable anger - just an obsession with religious polemics and a penchant for long posts...some of which is true
Of course you're calling me a racist by suggesting I join or am sympathetic to the BNP. Despite the fact that Islam and Muslims are not a race I might add.
You've already gone down the path of trying to silence criticism by effectively stating no one is allowed to say anything about Islam unless they are an Islamic scholar or are educated by one. In essence - join the system before commenting on it or your comments are invalid. It's a good thing there are wiser and more educated men than me and you who have studied Islam extensively and come away with criticisms - this has been going on since the early days of Islam, some of it's earliest critics were Persians and even Arabs were they not? Muhammad al Warraq, Ibn al-Rawandi, Al-Ma'arri, Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi.
The fact is terms like "Islamophobia" and "anti-Muslim bigotry" are often used in response to legitimate criticism of fundamentalist Islam and problems within Muslim culture, which shows how fragile the system is and how much Muslims dislike criticism from outside. It also makes it harder to spot the really crazed people who are truly full of hate when anyone who doesn't paint Islam in a positive light is a 'hater'.
Most sites have their own agenda. I'm not usually dumb enough to ignore that basic fact. Let me quote one of the posts from a typical right wing site that I tend to read regarding the Norwegian shootings and the media response (on topic for this thread I think):
"It is irresponsible in this situation to try to expand his list of victims even further, from hundreds to hundreds of millions of people, by exploiting this atrocity to shut down vital political debates about immigration, Multiculturalism, or Islam in multiple countries. It cannot be allowed to happen.
That monster has already executed many people. He should not be allowed to execute political freedom in the Western world as well." - Fjordman, Gates of Vienna blog.
You can almost feel the thuggish racism in these words can't you? Obviously another potential bomber in the making.
You too - everyone should learn to relax more.
N.
Of course you're calling me a racist by suggesting I join or am sympathetic to the BNP. Despite the fact that Islam and Muslims are not a race I might add.
You've already gone down the path of trying to silence criticism by effectively stating no one is allowed to say anything about Islam unless they are an Islamic scholar or are educated by one. In essence - join the system before commenting on it or your comments are invalid. It's a good thing there are wiser and more educated men than me and you who have studied Islam extensively and come away with criticisms - this has been going on since the early days of Islam, some of it's earliest critics were Persians and even Arabs were they not? Muhammad al Warraq, Ibn al-Rawandi, Al-Ma'arri, Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi.
The fact is terms like "Islamophobia" and "anti-Muslim bigotry" are often used in response to legitimate criticism of fundamentalist Islam and problems within Muslim culture, which shows how fragile the system is and how much Muslims dislike criticism from outside. It also makes it harder to spot the really crazed people who are truly full of hate when anyone who doesn't paint Islam in a positive light is a 'hater'.
Most sites have their own agenda. I'm not usually dumb enough to ignore that basic fact. Let me quote one of the posts from a typical right wing site that I tend to read regarding the Norwegian shootings and the media response (on topic for this thread I think):
"It is irresponsible in this situation to try to expand his list of victims even further, from hundreds to hundreds of millions of people, by exploiting this atrocity to shut down vital political debates about immigration, Multiculturalism, or Islam in multiple countries. It cannot be allowed to happen.
That monster has already executed many people. He should not be allowed to execute political freedom in the Western world as well." - Fjordman, Gates of Vienna blog.
You can almost feel the thuggish racism in these words can't you? Obviously another potential bomber in the making.
You too - everyone should learn to relax more.
N.
Your reading of the Gates of Vienna site perhaps reveal your tendencies -
If Fjordman is not Mr. Breivik, they certainly had pretty similar views and, it appears, the main difference between them is that Fjordman, seeing himself as some sort of intellectual, has no interest in actually killing any one - just implicitly inciting others to do so. I believe that this is also the site that promotes the EDL (well known English "party" with Nazis tendencies) - hence my initial thought that perhaps you should move to the BNP sites where your writings would be more appreciate.
If your a racist admit it and move on, but dont try to be pretend to be a libertarian "..Libertarians defend each person's right to life, liberty, and property.." - from 95% of your posts these seem to be attacking one source of species/religion - consistently.
The reason why i wanted to know your experience of Islam was to understand what experience you do have (apart the almighty google). Since you have limited, I assume, exposure to Islam Im wondering to see your thought processes. Every religion has heretics - that is a personal opinion but again that is from thinkers who were/converted muslims and understand the principles - but in their way found a short-fall with their understanding and the principles.
UK
#54
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
There is a reason that most people thought initially that the bombing and shooting was the work of Islamic terrorists - most terrorist attacks in the world are committed by Muslims in the name of Allah while the silent majority sit by and say nothing, despite it being mostly Muslims being killed.
Look at what ETA and their ilk have been doing in spain, and what Irish republicans are still up to in Northern Ireland. Car bombs, shootings, etc.
But let's not have the facts get in the way of prejudices.
The thought of being killed by foreign darkies is much more outrageous than being killed by people who look roughly like me.
That's pretty much what it comes down to isn't it....?
#55
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
Your reading of the Gates of Vienna site perhaps reveal your tendencies -
If Fjordman is not Mr. Breivik, they certainly had pretty similar views and, it appears, the main difference between them is that Fjordman, seeing himself as some sort of intellectual, has no interest in actually killing any one - just implicitly inciting others to do so. I believe that this is also the site that promotes the EDL (well known English "party" with Nazis tendencies) - hence my initial thought that perhaps you should move to the BNP sites where your writings would be more appreciate.
If Fjordman is not Mr. Breivik, they certainly had pretty similar views and, it appears, the main difference between them is that Fjordman, seeing himself as some sort of intellectual, has no interest in actually killing any one - just implicitly inciting others to do so. I believe that this is also the site that promotes the EDL (well known English "party" with Nazis tendencies) - hence my initial thought that perhaps you should move to the BNP sites where your writings would be more appreciate.
You're very good at keeping things on the personal and completely avoiding anything beyond that. I like how you have built a complete profile of me based on reading probably 20 posts on a forum you've been a member of for
Also, I've been in this forum since 2004. Who exactly do you think you are to tell me where my views will be appreciated?
Islam isn't a race. Muslim's are not a race...in fact Muslims come from pretty much every race there is. It's a racial diverse religion on the whole. I think you should start accepting this fact and get over it. No ideas are above criticism...mine included. And it's possible to question them without name calling or personal attacks.
I can only assume you're insinuating I'm a racist because you simply want to discredit me as you believe Islam is above criticism from everyone except those who meet your standard of study under an Iman/sheikh.
Also, you have not read 95% of my posts - stop being silly.
The reason why i wanted to know your experience of Islam was to understand what experience you do have (apart the almighty google). Since you have limited, I assume, exposure to Islam Im wondering to see your thought processes. Every religion has heretics - that is a personal opinion but again that is from thinkers who were/converted muslims and understand the principles - but in their way found a short-fall with their understanding and the principles.
UK
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N.
#56
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
I saw figures recently that suggested that around 6% of terror incidents in the US were down to islamic extremists, and in Europe it was less than 1%.
Look at what ETA and their ilk have been doing in spain, and what Irish republicans are still up to in Northern Ireland. Car bombs, shootings, etc.
But let's not have the facts get in the way of prejudices.
The thought of being killed by foreign darkies is much more outrageous than being killed by people who look roughly like me.
That's pretty much what it comes down to isn't it....?
Look at what ETA and their ilk have been doing in spain, and what Irish republicans are still up to in Northern Ireland. Car bombs, shootings, etc.
But let's not have the facts get in the way of prejudices.
The thought of being killed by foreign darkies is much more outrageous than being killed by people who look roughly like me.
That's pretty much what it comes down to isn't it....?
#57
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
I've only just looked at the bored (sic) today as I am getting heartily tired of the twisted attacks and comments of so many posters, many of whom appear to be apologists for half-baked ideas and out-dated religious nonsense.
Why is it that so many apparently intelligent adults cannot discuss topics without throwing around insults if someone holds a different point of view or does not agree with them? I really wish some of you would take a look at yourselves and try and respond in a decent manner.
Why is it that so many apparently intelligent adults cannot discuss topics without throwing around insults if someone holds a different point of view or does not agree with them? I really wish some of you would take a look at yourselves and try and respond in a decent manner.
#59
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
The only thing separating all these groups is their ideologies or what they are after. Their methods are the same as are their levels of insanity.
You've not read what I said about prejudice vs judging have you?
Perhaps you also think I am one of those people who is afraid of brown skinned people?...like my son, my dad, his brothers, my ex-wife, my sisters...me etc
N.
#60
Re: Seeing as we talk so much about the media
Im not trying to discredit you – im just trying to understand where you are coming from. I am not trying to hunt you in any way or shape.
The true definition of racism under EU regulations includes race, colour, creed and religion or belief. I have not checked out the UN definition. Your arguments usually include deformation of either Muslims or Islam. If you had the same things about Israel or Jews I would come to the same conclusion. If you had said the same things about Christians or Anglo-Saxons I would come to the same conclusion.
I recommended the democracy forum as they have similar beliefs as yourself on Muslims and Islam.
I apologise if you thought I was attacking on a personal level – this is the bad thing about text on a screen – people can perceive and read into things which are not said. As I have said before the reason why I asked you about your standard of study was to try and understand what you knew of Muslims and Islam and how people can perceive your writings as racism.
In regards to the Muslim/Islam/Terrorism thang perhaps people need to take a step back and view the trees/forest scenario:
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/
I believe I have answered of your points raised against me please accept my apologises if I have missed something out.
If we are to take statistics the total death toll in Afghanistan since the US invasion: ca. 500,000+ The total death toll in Iraq since the US occupation: 1,2M people (USA “do not keep track on bodies”) is to be believed I would propose that America and hence Christians are the main crusaders. Does 15,000 deaths that you attribute to Muslim terrorists equate to 2M muslims ? Perhaps if more people knew the truth and can see it in a cold light of day there would notice the “enemy” is closer than they think – rather than some sandpit full of a few yokels with black gold.
I have not broken any forum rule – perhaps you need to review them:
“Without limiting the foregoing, the following behaviors are strictly prohibited:
• Strong, vulgar, obscene or otherwise harmful language,
• Racially, ethnically or otherwise, objectionable language,
• Harassing, intimidating, stalking or threatening other community members,
• Libelous, defamatory or otherwise tortuous language,
• Online vandalism,
• Impersonation of another person,..”
I believe that some if not a many of your posts may belong in the above categories (if perception is to be used.)
The true definition of racism under EU regulations includes race, colour, creed and religion or belief. I have not checked out the UN definition. Your arguments usually include deformation of either Muslims or Islam. If you had the same things about Israel or Jews I would come to the same conclusion. If you had said the same things about Christians or Anglo-Saxons I would come to the same conclusion.
I recommended the democracy forum as they have similar beliefs as yourself on Muslims and Islam.
I apologise if you thought I was attacking on a personal level – this is the bad thing about text on a screen – people can perceive and read into things which are not said. As I have said before the reason why I asked you about your standard of study was to try and understand what you knew of Muslims and Islam and how people can perceive your writings as racism.
In regards to the Muslim/Islam/Terrorism thang perhaps people need to take a step back and view the trees/forest scenario:
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/
I believe I have answered of your points raised against me please accept my apologises if I have missed something out.
If we are to take statistics the total death toll in Afghanistan since the US invasion: ca. 500,000+ The total death toll in Iraq since the US occupation: 1,2M people (USA “do not keep track on bodies”) is to be believed I would propose that America and hence Christians are the main crusaders. Does 15,000 deaths that you attribute to Muslim terrorists equate to 2M muslims ? Perhaps if more people knew the truth and can see it in a cold light of day there would notice the “enemy” is closer than they think – rather than some sandpit full of a few yokels with black gold.
I have not broken any forum rule – perhaps you need to review them:
“Without limiting the foregoing, the following behaviors are strictly prohibited:
• Strong, vulgar, obscene or otherwise harmful language,
• Racially, ethnically or otherwise, objectionable language,
• Harassing, intimidating, stalking or threatening other community members,
• Libelous, defamatory or otherwise tortuous language,
• Online vandalism,
• Impersonation of another person,..”
I believe that some if not a many of your posts may belong in the above categories (if perception is to be used.)