View Poll Results: Scottish Independence
I am Scottish and would vote Yes
7
14.89%
I am Scottish and would vote No
6
12.77%
I am Scottish and am undecided
1
2.13%
I am not Scottish and would vote Yes
11
23.40%
I am not Scottish and would vote No
21
44.68%
I am not Scottish and am undecided
1
2.13%
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Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Dec 5th 2013, 7:12 am
#106
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
What a fuss about what the new flag might potentially look like "Because there is no guidance", cue running around with hair on fire.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25205017
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25205017
Dec 5th 2013, 7:38 am
#107
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by mikewot
What a fuss about what the new flag might potentially look like "Because there is no guidance", cue running around with hair on fire.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25205017
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25205017
Dec 5th 2013, 7:42 am
#108
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by shiva
This is the kind of shit I mean when I say minutiae.
Dec 5th 2013, 8:55 am
#109
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
This discussion is really fanning the flames of my patriotism (especially the informative posts from Shiva) yet I still have absolutely no idea which choice would make for a "better" Scotland. There seem to be many good arguments for both sides.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
Dec 5th 2013, 9:01 am
#110
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by kungpowdow
This discussion is really fanning the flames of my patriotism (especially the informative posts from Shiva) yet I still have absolutely no idea which choice would make for a "better" Scotland. There seem to be many good arguments for both sides.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
Agree with all of that, great last two paragraphs too.
Dec 5th 2013, 9:01 am
#111
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by kungpowdow
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation...<snip>
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
Dec 5th 2013, 9:02 am
#112
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by mikewot
Dec 5th 2013, 9:10 am
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
if they get independence will they stop sharing their shitty weather with us ? bloody awful out there today
Dec 5th 2013, 9:11 am
#114
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by shiva
You're right. So perhaps you'd prefer I used one of the following instead.
biased, bigoted, discriminatory, partisan, partial, one-sided, jaundiced, intolerant, narrow-minded, unfair, unjust, inequitable, non-objective, unobjective, blinkered, parti pris, coloured, distorted, warped, loaded or weighted
biased, bigoted, discriminatory, partisan, partial, one-sided, jaundiced, intolerant, narrow-minded, unfair, unjust, inequitable, non-objective, unobjective, blinkered, parti pris, coloured, distorted, warped, loaded or weighted
Dec 5th 2013, 9:26 am
#115
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by kungpowdow
This discussion is really fanning the flames of my patriotism (especially the informative posts from Shiva) yet I still have absolutely no idea which choice would make for a "better" Scotland. There seem to be many good arguments for both sides.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
Dec 5th 2013, 10:27 am
#116
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by Kix
Whilst I agree with a lot of what you're saying (facts -v- spin), because someone has different views does not make them silly and ignorant does it. In fact I would suggest the opposite was true, you're the intolerant one, not I.
The point from my original post is that the ridiculous over-posturing of some Scottish people is matched by the sheer ignorance of some English people; the surrounding arguments for and against this discussion can be equally unbearable from both "sides".
My suggestion is that any comment insinuating NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down is nothing more than a broad, sweeping, generalisation which is simply untrue and borne out of ignorance.
You don't agree? You think that is a perfectly reasonable and well-founded statement to make?
Dec 5th 2013, 10:31 am
#117
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by Scamp
What. A. Post.
Agree with all of that, great last two paragraphs too.
Agree with all of that, great last two paragraphs too.
Dec 5th 2013, 10:42 am
#118
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by kungpowdow
This discussion is really fanning the flames of my patriotism (especially the informative posts from Shiva) yet I still have absolutely no idea which choice would make for a "better" Scotland. There seem to be many good arguments for both sides.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
Dec 5th 2013, 11:02 am
#119
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Re: Scottish Independence - Yes or No?
Originally Posted by kungpowdow
This discussion is really fanning the flames of my patriotism (especially the informative posts from Shiva) yet I still have absolutely no idea which choice would make for a "better" Scotland. There seem to be many good arguments for both sides.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
I wonder how many other people are in my position - Average Joes lacking the requisite information to make an informed decision. I will probably never have an in depth understanding of the politics, budgets, north sea oil and gas revenues, EU membership etc. and so my vote will most likely be based on nothing more than my own life experience. This worries me as votes for this referendum will be driven by emotion rather than logic and that is where spin doctoring and misdirection come into the equation.
I detest the small man syndrome that I hear and see from a lot of my fellow Scots who feel that we have something to prove as a nation... BUT... This is easily counterbalanced by the silly comments from ignorant English people who claim that NI, Wales and Scotland do nothing more than drag England down.
I am proud to be British. Through our little collection of charismatic nations and people we have punched far above our geographical weight for a long, long time. The UK is a great example of a successful union of people for the betterment of all (for the most part) and I think our focus as a nation of proud Scots should be on how we can continue to contribute to that success, and not on trying to prove ourselves to nobody but ourselves.
Originally Posted by Scamp
What. A. Post.
Agree with all of that, great last two paragraphs too.
Agree with all of that, great last two paragraphs too.
Originally Posted by Meow
That cuts both ways.
