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Scottish Independence - Yes or No?

View Poll Results: Scottish Independence
I am Scottish and would vote Yes
7
14.89%
I am Scottish and would vote No
6
12.77%
I am Scottish and am undecided
1
2.13%
I am not Scottish and would vote Yes
11
23.40%
I am not Scottish and would vote No
21
44.68%
I am not Scottish and am undecided
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2.13%
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Scottish Independence - Yes or No?

Old Dec 1st 2013, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by Kix View Post
Comment fro Boris Johnson (Oh i do like him), in today's fail:-

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Margaret Thatcher would now be fighting like a lioness for our union with Scotland, and she would comfortably see off [SNP leader] Alex Salmond, because she would have instinctively identified the heart of the matter: that this isn’t about whether or not the Scots will be £800 per year worse off per head.
This is about the demolition of Britain, about taking the blue background from the union flag, lopping the top off the most successful political union in history.
It would diminish both Scotland and England, and it would be no consolation to her that the loss of Britain, might also mean the end of the British Broadcasting Corporation.
Shit. I agree with the witch on something.
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Old Dec 2nd 2013, 6:10 am
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Scottish, and firmly yes.
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Old Dec 2nd 2013, 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by the_red_sheep View Post
Scottish, and firmly yes.
Not Scottish, but if they want independence I am all for it. But it has to be done properly mind, clean break with no help or handouts.
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Old Dec 2nd 2013, 10:20 am
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Originally Posted by weasel decentral View Post
No thanks mate. We don't want the North.
The feeling is completely mutual...........
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Give them independence, block their entry to the EU, block any free trade agreements with the EU, make them use their own currency, introduce strict border controls and Visas.

will be quite amusing.
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Old Dec 2nd 2013, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Kix View Post
Comment fro Boris Johnson (Oh i do like him), in today's fail:-

Fighting for the United Kingdom
Margaret Thatcher would now be fighting like a lioness for our union with Scotland, and she would comfortably see off [SNP leader] Alex Salmond, because she would have instinctively identified the heart of the matter: that this isn’t about whether or not the Scots will be £800 per year worse off per head.
This is about the demolition of Britain, about taking the blue background from the union flag, lopping the top off the most successful political union in history.
It would diminish both Scotland and England, and it would be no consolation to her that the loss of Britain, might also mean the end of the British Broadcasting Corporation.
I was all for keeping the Union but if it meant agreeing with Boris and maggie I'm afraid they can bugger off
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Old Dec 2nd 2013, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by The Dean View Post
The feeling is completely mutual...........
So if the Republic doesn't want it, and the English don't want it. Let it join with Scotland solving two issues at once.
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Old Dec 2nd 2013, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by weasel decentral View Post
So if the Republic doesn't want it, and the English don't want it. Let it join with Scotland solving two issues at once.
So we just build a wall across the middle of the country then? Above or below Brum?
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So we just build a wall across the middle of the country then? Above or below Brum?
Restore Hadrian's wall for Scotland, build a wall around the Brummies and we will dig a canal along our northern border which will allow NI to float free and bump up against Scotland.
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Old Dec 3rd 2013, 4:30 am
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I'm half Scottish and am against, although that thought is waning slightly. I generally consider myself English after growing up south of the border although I have always been tight with my Scottish heritage - you have to be with a surname like mine. Funnily enough, however, I only found out my old man was actually born in Scotland a few months ago. I knew his dad was a Scot but always assumed my old man was born in England, so essentially I am newly half and not quarter. Also I went to Uni in Scotland and have lived there for 9yrs. My mum still lives there too.

As for independence, of course I know it's all a load of sh!t and assume that Salmond is smoking some seriously good gear BUT, I'm getting to the point that it's like a couple of warring parents who should really just divorce and get it over with, whatever the consequences. I had a look at the summary of his white paper and it's a comedy document. You can find the much sorter 50 pages summery (against 670 page fairy table) on the BBC website.

Personally I can't see it ever happening as it'll never get voted in, the Scots aren't stupid enough to not see that Salmond is living in cloud cook coo land if he thinks he will get what he is asking for (from the UK or from the EU). We all know he is just a power hungry fool who's pretty much just shouted 'all in' and pushed his chips into the centre of the table. This is a last gasp attempt from him. If or when he loses you'll never hear from him again.

The other half of me would like to see it happen just out of badness to see the outcome. Although that's only if it was a complete split, no sterling, Monarchy, bank bail out, defense, etc etc and they would need to stump up their portion of the national debt. This is mainly just so I could say 'I told you so' to all the tartan wearing, haggis munching SNP wankers I have discussed this with over the last year or so.

The only thing is, neither outcome will remove the chip on the shoulder that 90% of Scots has ingrained into them from an early age. And as no one other than Scots who actually reside in Scotland can vote (clever move there Salmond) it's all a bit of a non argument. I wonder what the figures fore and against Scottish Independence would be from folk in England would be. I'd guess the figure will be increasing with time tho.
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Old Dec 3rd 2013, 4:52 am
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Originally Posted by jam25mack View Post
The only thing is, neither outcome will remove the chip on the shoulder that 90% of Scots has ingrained into them from an early age.
I would strongly disagree with that statement. Scots like to take the pish out of the English but I don't believe that:
a) The figure is as high as 90%
b) That it is what you describe as a 'chip'.
c) That there is any genuine animosity from the vast majority of Scots, just some bawbags from the central belt.
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Old Dec 3rd 2013, 5:06 am
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I would strongly disagree with that statement. Scots like to take the pish out of the English but I don't believe that:
a) The figure is as high as 90%
b) That it is what you describe as a 'chip'.
c) That there is any genuine animosity from the vast majority of Scots, just some bawbags from the central belt.
Meh, who cares? People are going to be choppers regardless. Some worse than others and that's life.


Anyway....what will happen to that fat **** Salmond when they vote 'No'? What will his purpose be? Will he go back to arguing for the right to choose what day bins are collected or something?
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Originally Posted by Norm_uk View Post
There was no vote to start the Union in the first place and no consent of the common people in both nations.

I think the entire UK should decide such matters, rather than a few. There are clearly more benefits being a Union than not. Making smaller nations will not help - but if it does happen I hope the rest of the UK doesn't end up paying for it.

Regional autonomy and national policies for the big issues is the way to go.

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Is this an example of one of your Union benefits ?
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Old Dec 3rd 2013, 5:21 am
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Originally Posted by jam25mack View Post
I wonder what the figures fore and against Scottish Independence would be from folk in England would be. I'd guess the figure will be increasing with time tho.
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Is this an example of one of your Union benefits ?
Clearly it would be of great advantage to people living there if they were in the 10 worst places of an independent Scotland instead.

What I finsd most entertaining about the whole nonsense at the moment is the howling about how the Pro union campiagn is negative. It's hard for it not to be when it has to spend it's time going through a series of 'how did you get that answer', 'they've already said you can't', 'the maths doesn't add up' and generally 'don't be stupid' to counter the ridiculous jam tomorrow, have cake and eat it fairytale the SNP comes up with.

I don't think Salmond actually wants to win. He just wants to get a negotiating position for Devo Max, where the English really do get screwed over and he does get his cake.

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