Scottish Independence
#301
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Re: Scottish Independence
So Andy Murray changes to Yes because the No campaign is negative. If his decision-making process isn't much deeper than that, that's like saying Yes to drugs because those against merely point out the down-sides. The union works--not perfectly, but it works--and the disruption and disadvantages breaking it up will cause are, of course, negatives, and the positives of a Yes vote haven't been thought through and are based on half-truths. Utter bollocks.
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Re: Scottish Independence
There are some rules – as set out in the Scottish Referendum Act – common to all media and, indeed, extend beyond its boundaries. “No person”, says the Act in its section on Exit Polls, “may publish before the close of the poll…any statement relating to the way in which voters have voted…where that statement is (or might reasonably be taken to be) based on information given by voters after they have voted”. The publication of any forecast based on such information is also prohibited.
And if you are in any doubt about what “publish” means in this context, the Act helpfully makes clear that it is “to make available to the public at large (or any section of the public) in whatever form and by whatever means”. In short, that includes social media. One word in this part of the Act which might have the potential to confuse is the reference to “voters” in the plural. Telling the world about how you yourself have voted might be acceptable; but to find out and then publish how everyone on your street has done is not.
Quite how rigorously the Act will be interpreted and enforced remains of course to be seen. But jail is almost certainly no more pleasant in an independent Scotland than a United Kingdom.
And if you are in any doubt about what “publish” means in this context, the Act helpfully makes clear that it is “to make available to the public at large (or any section of the public) in whatever form and by whatever means”. In short, that includes social media. One word in this part of the Act which might have the potential to confuse is the reference to “voters” in the plural. Telling the world about how you yourself have voted might be acceptable; but to find out and then publish how everyone on your street has done is not.
Quite how rigorously the Act will be interpreted and enforced remains of course to be seen. But jail is almost certainly no more pleasant in an independent Scotland than a United Kingdom.
#305
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Re: Scottish Independence
The graph rests on the assumption that the value of the remaining oil in the North sea is 1.5 trillion (note that everything else is in the low billions). That single sum obviously greatly distorts the conclusion.
1.5 trillion is the highest prediction for the oil and has been soundly rejected by quite a lot of experts in the field. Big name experts. Heads of the oil companies and whatnot.
The low end prediction is 120 billion. BBC News - Daily question: How much oil does Scotland have left?
Anyway, I've said this before and I will repeat it again, oil is a red herring. It's a wild card variable and should not be factored in any sensible economic plans for Scotland's future.
1.5 trillion is the highest prediction for the oil and has been soundly rejected by quite a lot of experts in the field. Big name experts. Heads of the oil companies and whatnot.
The low end prediction is 120 billion. BBC News - Daily question: How much oil does Scotland have left?
Anyway, I've said this before and I will repeat it again, oil is a red herring. It's a wild card variable and should not be factored in any sensible economic plans for Scotland's future.
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Re: Scottish Independence
Orange Order march in Edinburgh in support of the NO vote.
Scottish independence: Thousands of Orange Order supporters march through Edinburgh - Scottish independence - UK - The Independent
Sad turn of events to bring Sectarianism into the YES/NO vote .
Scottish independence: Thousands of Orange Order supporters march through Edinburgh - Scottish independence - UK - The Independent
Sad turn of events to bring Sectarianism into the YES/NO vote .
#308
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Re: Scottish Independence
In Toronto airport lounge (shit airport BTW) waiting for etihad flight. TV saying polls so far put it at 54% NO, 46% YES. Not sure how they're getting that, but just thought I'd share....
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#309
Re: Scottish Independence
Isn't Salmond a clever chap. Consider that should the NO vote win (which seems likely from early reports) , the UK will enact major reforms to satisfy the Scottish Nationalists. Thus Salmond still has extracted major concessions even while losing the vote.
Scottish referendum: David Cameron and the Queen seek to ease tensions | Politics | The Guardian
Scottish referendum: David Cameron and the Queen seek to ease tensions | Politics | The Guardian
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Isn't Salmond a clever chap. Consider that should the NO vote win (which seems likely from early reports) , the UK will enact major reforms to satisfy the Scottish Nationalists. Thus Salmond still has extracted major concessions even while losing the vote.
Scottish referendum: David Cameron and the Queen seek to ease tensions | Politics | The Guardian
Scottish referendum: David Cameron and the Queen seek to ease tensions | Politics | The Guardian
If it is a no and it looks like it will be then I cant campaign, it looks like it was a massive turn out which is brilliant.
If yes win its brilliant
If no wins we get more powers to appease us unruly bastards
If no wins and we get no further powers or a reduction then the SNP will hopefully sweep the general election and again have a mandate to push for more.
Salmond cant really lose
#311
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Re: Scottish Independence
Scotland has lost though. For the first time ever, I am hearing anti Scottish rhetoric from British friends.
#312
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I just hope the no voters bought plenty of Vaseline for the nation because we're going to need it.
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I've NEVER seen it and i've been married to a scot for 10 years. I have, of course, heard plenty of anti English sentiment while in scotland.
#314
Re: Scottish Independence
I'm hoping its not the English who need the Vaseline. The three parties promised further devolution ofpowers to Scotland but that cannot be allowed if Scottish MP's continue to be allowed to vote on non-Scottish matters. Labour of course will want that to continue
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Immediately after the result became clear, Prime Minister David Cameron aimed to show the UK government was grabbing the initiative by announcing Lord Smith of Kelvin, a former BBC governor, to oversee the implementation of more devolution on tax, spending and welfare.
He said draft legislation would be ready by January, as per the timetable laid out by Brown.
Under the former PM's proposals, a "command paper" would be published by the present UK government setting out all the proposals by the end of October.
A white paper would be drawn up by the end of November, after a period of consultation, setting out the proposed powers.
A draft new "Scotland Act" law would be published by Burns Night (25 January) 2015 ready for the House of Commons to vote on.
However, with a UK general election due in May 2015, the legislation would not be passed until the new parliament began.
Who knows about the MP question? Anyway here's hoping that SNP have learnt a lesson, that not all Scots are as thick as mince and if you want to convince the 2 million who voted no you need to get all of your sh1t in one sock. It'll be alright on the night just does not work for thinking people. Lets see solid, realistic workable plans on currency etc. etc. etc. No more of the blatant lies from wee eck and cohorts.
I have been astonished by Gordon Brown during this, he has absolutely come alive!
He said draft legislation would be ready by January, as per the timetable laid out by Brown.
Under the former PM's proposals, a "command paper" would be published by the present UK government setting out all the proposals by the end of October.
A white paper would be drawn up by the end of November, after a period of consultation, setting out the proposed powers.
A draft new "Scotland Act" law would be published by Burns Night (25 January) 2015 ready for the House of Commons to vote on.
However, with a UK general election due in May 2015, the legislation would not be passed until the new parliament began.
Who knows about the MP question? Anyway here's hoping that SNP have learnt a lesson, that not all Scots are as thick as mince and if you want to convince the 2 million who voted no you need to get all of your sh1t in one sock. It'll be alright on the night just does not work for thinking people. Lets see solid, realistic workable plans on currency etc. etc. etc. No more of the blatant lies from wee eck and cohorts.
I have been astonished by Gordon Brown during this, he has absolutely come alive!