Scaremongering?
#16
Re: Scaremongering?
Replace 'wealth' with 'oil' and you sum up this region perfectly.
#17
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No, what I am saying is that comments such as those should be scrutinized specially when they are made by an European. Historically speaking Europe has always been the most violent content in terms of the number of inter-fighting wars and the scale of these wars. I strongly believe that the only life line that is keeping the integrity of present Europe is wealth, you take that wealth away from Europe and the whole content will go back to its old habit of territorial, ethnic, religious, and what have you wars. But to be fair I have to exempt the Scandinavians lot from this equation.
#18
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No, what I am saying is that comments such as those should be scrutinized specially when they are made by an European. Historically speaking Europe has always been the most violent content in terms of the number of inter-fighting wars and the scale of these wars. I strongly believe that the only life line that is keeping the integrity of present Europe is wealth, you take that wealth away from Europe and the whole content will go back to its old habit of territorial, ethnic, religious, and what have you wars. But to be fair I have to exempt the Scandinavians lot from this equation.
#23
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I can see RedShark's point in so far as if the standard of living were a little higher in Palestine/Iraq/Syria and there was as much economic suffering and envy of the west in Pakistan/Afghanistan etc the struggle wouldn't be as great. Who gives a fck about Israeli settlements when we live in our own (albeit Islamic themed) Lakes/Greens etc development in Ramallah/Gaza.
#24
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No, what I am saying is that comments such as those should be scrutinized specially when they are made by an European. Historically speaking Europe has always been the most violent content in terms of the number of inter-fighting wars and the scale of these wars. I strongly believe that the only life line that is keeping the integrity of present Europe is wealth, you take that wealth away from Europe and the whole content will go back to its old habit of territorial, ethnic, religious, and what have you wars. But to be fair I have to exempt the Scandinavians lot from this equation.
Are you just demonstrating the usual Middle Eastern small-minded defensiveness, and inability to take criticism of any kind without seeing it as an insult, and throwing your toys out of the pram?
And, really, excluding the Scandinavians? That betrays your lack of knowledge of European history, ever heard of the Vikings? They were a peaceful lot.
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Not even the wealth he talks of, the civilized, modern, integrated, cooperative unions that have been long established. The mechanisms that were set up to lower any chances of future conflicts.
Western Europe has been through all the tit-for-tat religious (etc) wars in the last X centuries. Some still exist but in the 'newer' countries it seems.
This whole region (Middle East) is still archaic in attitudes and still lets religion rule. The factions of those religions will continue to fight like the Protestant/Catholics did in England under different leaders throughout history (and still do if you look at Ireland/N.Ireland) etc.
I don't really know what I'm talking about sometimes but I definitely know that this region is ****ing light years behind Western Europe in it's maturity and ability to be sensible. Even 'Merica is way behind.
#26
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I can see RedShark's point in so far as if the standard of living were a little higher in Palestine/Iraq/Syria and there was as much economic suffering and envy of the west in Pakistan/Afghanistan etc the struggle wouldn't be as great. Who gives a fck about Israeli settlements when we live in our own (albeit Islamic themed) Lakes/Greens etc development in Ramallah/Gaza.
#27
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Not even the wealth he talks of, the civilized, modern, integrated, cooperative unions that have been long established. The mechanisms that were set up to lower any chances of future conflicts.
Western Europe has been through all the tit-for-tat religious (etc) wars in the last X centuries. Some still exist but in the 'newer' countries it seems.
This whole region (Middle East) is still archaic in attitudes and still lets religion rule. The factions of those religions will continue to fight like the Protestant/Catholics did in England under different leaders throughout history (and still do if you look at Ireland/N.Ireland) etc.
I don't really know what I'm talking about sometimes but I definitely know that this region is ****ing light years behind Western Europe in it's maturity and ability to be sensible. Even 'Merica is way behind.
#28
Re: Scaremongering?
I wonder if Red Shark is proud of his Muslim brothers in Rotherham?
Rotherham: failures led to sexual abuse of 1,400 children | Society | The Guardian
Rotherham: failures led to sexual abuse of 1,400 children | Society | The Guardian
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#29
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Re: Scaremongering?
• A secure place to live
• Self-sufficiency in food production and water
• Freedom of religion
• Freedom of speech and thought
• Freedom of sexual orientation
• Rule of law
• Absence of slavery or practices equivalent to slavery
• Democratic institutions
• Universal suffrage
• Universal education
• Equal opportunities, regardless of gender, race or religion
• Absence (or minimal existence) of corruption
• Abundant cultural opportunities accessible to all
And although not everything’s rosy in the garden, there are checks and balances which come into play to try to right the situation.
That is wealth.
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#30
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redShark
This message has been deleted by mikewot. Reason: You've been told, very often, not to go wandering off the subject.
Bloody Hell Mikewot.... if you deleted everybody's posts that wander off the subject, this bored would be quieter than it is now!!
This message has been deleted by mikewot. Reason: You've been told, very often, not to go wandering off the subject.
Bloody Hell Mikewot.... if you deleted everybody's posts that wander off the subject, this bored would be quieter than it is now!!