Sausages: Muslim Chef Sues Police
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It would not be unreasonable to assume that an employer such as the MPS would find it simple to and a matter of course to transfer this informal arrangement. In fact, it seems there is already an informal agreement in place at his new place and he wants it to be written down.
I don't really see the problem.
He is also a catering manager and not a cook. Therefore cooking is not the main part of his job.
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It is not beyond the realms of imagination that this wasn't mentioned at the interview but rather when he started (especially as the wording of the article implies this).
Edit to say: After a second look, my reading of this article is that he was transferred from one place to another and was already employed by the MPS...so that makes it more logical that he was not told until he started
If he was informed on application that this would be the case, he did not raise any objections at the time, was informed again before starting, did not raise objections and then started kicking up a fuss - then he will lose the case.
Either way, the legislation is there for a reason.
The story also does not state whether he is taking them to tribunal for a financial claim, or whether he is simply asking for his informal arrangement (which implies that he is still working in that canteen) to be written down in his contract.
Edit to say: After a second look, my reading of this article is that he was transferred from one place to another and was already employed by the MPS...so that makes it more logical that he was not told until he started
If he was informed on application that this would be the case, he did not raise any objections at the time, was informed again before starting, did not raise objections and then started kicking up a fuss - then he will lose the case.
Either way, the legislation is there for a reason.
The story also does not state whether he is taking them to tribunal for a financial claim, or whether he is simply asking for his informal arrangement (which implies that he is still working in that canteen) to be written down in his contract.
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If there was an interview (and nothing in the article says there was) and it was raised, and he took the job and etc etc he will lose. Simple. This means the system is correct and works.
As a catering manager who will not handle such things on a daily basis, it may not have occured to either side to be an issue. He may also have been assumed that as he would be at the same employer the previous arrangement he had would be transferred across.
There is an arrangement in place now, so it seems all he wants to do is make sure this situation doesn't arise again. I don't see why the MPS would have refused this request...
As a catering manager who will not handle such things on a daily basis, it may not have occured to either side to be an issue. He may also have been assumed that as he would be at the same employer the previous arrangement he had would be transferred across.
There is an arrangement in place now, so it seems all he wants to do is make sure this situation doesn't arise again. I don't see why the MPS would have refused this request...
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just another example of the world going mad..
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The article says he had an informal arrangement in place at the previous MPS place he was at. If he transferred then nothing might have been said.
It would not be unreasonable to assume that an employer such as the MPS would find it simple to and a matter of course to transfer this informal arrangement. In fact, it seems there is already an informal agreement in place at his new place and he wants it to be written down.
I don't really see the problem.
He is also a catering manager and not a cook. Therefore cooking is not the main part of his job.
It would not be unreasonable to assume that an employer such as the MPS would find it simple to and a matter of course to transfer this informal arrangement. In fact, it seems there is already an informal agreement in place at his new place and he wants it to be written down.
I don't really see the problem.
He is also a catering manager and not a cook. Therefore cooking is not the main part of his job.
it does state he had a previous agreement, but it was a different job as further on it states he was told he would be expected to handle pork....
i suppose you could throw this in the mixer;
he is the person dealing with the food, the only person that day dealing with the food - someone asks for a full breakfast, that person is expecting sausage and bacon.... what would you expect the outcome to be?
bit mad really isnt it.
the above is besides the point - surely this would have been dealt with at interview stage, surely if he had this agreement previously he would have told them this.... why is it going to a employ trib for them to decide who is right and wrong... seems there maybe more to it?
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To be fair - it states that he was told upon starting. So it is vague to say the least.
It doesn't say there was an interview. I'd imagine the argument goes along the lines of 'his employer did not change, so why should his T&Cs change?'
His claim is that the employer did indeed re-instate said working conditions, but then did not want it written down (which does not seem like a big step to me).
He is also not a cook...
It doesn't say there was an interview. I'd imagine the argument goes along the lines of 'his employer did not change, so why should his T&Cs change?'
His claim is that the employer did indeed re-instate said working conditions, but then did not want it written down (which does not seem like a big step to me).
He is also not a cook...
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No way is that religious discrimination.
I understand that he does not want to eat pork, a basic part of the standard UK diet, but this is just not the same. Sounds as if he rarely handles food so could he not have worn gloves or used tongs? Sueing over this is nuts.
Some people seek to take offence for their own benefit.
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I understand that he does not want to eat pork, a basic part of the standard UK diet, but this is just not the same. Sounds as if he rarely handles food so could he not have worn gloves or used tongs? Sueing over this is nuts.
Some people seek to take offence for their own benefit.
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No way is that religious discrimination.
I understand that he does not want to eat pork, a basic part of the standard UK diet, but this is just not the same. Sounds as if he rarely handles food so could he not have worn gloves or used tongs? Sueing over this is nuts.
Some people seek to take offence for their own benefit.
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I understand that he does not want to eat pork, a basic part of the standard UK diet, but this is just not the same. Sounds as if he rarely handles food so could he not have worn gloves or used tongs? Sueing over this is nuts.
Some people seek to take offence for their own benefit.
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When the wife got our cats (although there was no contract) I never expected to have to clean out their shitter. I now do it on the odd occasion, albeit wearing a sanding mask and gloves.
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No way is that religious discrimination.
I understand that he does not want to eat pork, a basic part of the standard UK diet, but this is just not the same. Sounds as if he rarely handles food so could he not have worn gloves or used tongs? Sueing over this is nuts.
Some people seek to take offence for their own benefit.
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I understand that he does not want to eat pork, a basic part of the standard UK diet, but this is just not the same. Sounds as if he rarely handles food so could he not have worn gloves or used tongs? Sueing over this is nuts.
Some people seek to take offence for their own benefit.
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But to the point. Just because you don't have strongly held religious beliefs. It doesn't mean someone else can't.
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I just wonder that if the law allowed for every religion in every aspect of life would the country come to a stop... i mean where does it end....
what is reasonable and unreasonable?
what is reasonable and unreasonable?
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I am guessing the litigant pork-dodger wouldn't like the take-away menu we received last night. The strapline is 'sausage fun for everyone' .
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The tone of the article doesn't make it sound like he has kicked and screamed. In fact, he is still working there. With an already informal arrangement that he wishes to make formal.
The sticking point (or so it seems) is that the MPS don't want to make his work practices formal. Which seems a bit odd (although the article is vague and doesn't explain much really)
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One of the good things about the UK is that anyone may freely practice their religion, unlike many other places, and I have no problem if anyone wants to believe in the tooth fairy, the flying spagetti monster or a bloke on a cloud. Religion should be a private matter, not forced into the public arena at every opportunity.
No one has stopped him from practicing his religion. He has not been asked to eat pork. He could take steps not to touch it if it offends (I hate the feel of raw chicken so get around that with gloves), or possibly find someone else to help out, but this is not religious discrimination.
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Do you think he is being unreasonable?
The tone of the article doesn't make it sound like he has kicked and screamed. In fact, he is still working there. With an already informal arrangement that he wishes to make formal.
The sticking point (or so it seems) is that the MPS don't want to make his work practices formal. Which seems a bit odd (although the article is vague and doesn't explain much really)
The tone of the article doesn't make it sound like he has kicked and screamed. In fact, he is still working there. With an already informal arrangement that he wishes to make formal.
The sticking point (or so it seems) is that the MPS don't want to make his work practices formal. Which seems a bit odd (although the article is vague and doesn't explain much really)
i totally agree there is not enough there to decide what is going on but i still wonder what is reasonable and unreasonable......
as a senior catering manager, is it unreasonable for him to refuse to serve me pork, is it unreasonable of me to ask him.....
surely to get to a senior position he has had to go through his whole career like this...?