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Old Feb 6th 2013, 3:39 am
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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

Originally Posted by Norm_uk
Why?
Why not?
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Old Feb 6th 2013, 4:14 am
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Blaming religions for the ills in the world is a kin to blaming the sun for the problem of skin cancers. the sun is not to blame, it is rather the fools that abuse the sun shine
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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

Originally Posted by hong_konger
I think that this thread shows just how divided people are on such issues. What we all have to remember is that all societies are different. The key is tolerance. Its when one society tries to impose its ideals on another society that problems occur. We should also remember that it is not that many generations ago that people were being executed in the UK for relatively modest offences

As a poster stated above, almost everyone including all Saudi people would be repulsed by what this father allegedly did to his daughter. That is not the issue in contention. The issue we are debating is the justice that he should receive and its quite clear that society is heavily divided on this.
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I think everyone is repulsed by what the father did to his daughter, irrespective of his country, his religion and his profession.
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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

Originally Posted by hong_konger
I think that this thread shows just how divided people are on such issues. What we all have to remember is that all societies are different. The key is tolerance. Its when one society tries to impose its ideals on another society that problems occur. We should also remember that it is not that many generations ago that people were being executed in the UK for relatively modest offences

As a poster stated above, almost everyone including all Saudi people would be repulsed by what this father allegedly did to his daughter. That is not the issue in contention. The issue we are debating is the justice that he should receive and its quite clear that society is heavily divided on this.
1st quote: Bollocks to tolerance. We in the West tolerate Saudi Arabia's approach to human rights abuses. We didn't in Iraq (or so we said), so why should we in Saudi?

2nd quote: No, the issue is the West's continuing acceptance of dealing with an entire regime that permits such atrocities to continue. Even Indonesia had the balls to stand up to them and withdraw their citizens serving (enslaved) there as maids. If, as you say, all Saudi people are repulsed, why do similar incidencts keep recurring? Meanwhile we stand idly by...
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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy
1st quote: Bollocks to tolerance. We in the West tolerate Saudi Arabia's approach to human rights abuses. We didn't in Iraq (or so we said), so why should we in Saudi?

2nd quote: No, the issue is the West's continuing acceptance of dealing with an entire regime that permits such atrocities to continue. Even Indonesia had the balls to stand up to them and withdraw their citizens serving (enslaved) there as maids. If, as you say, all Saudi people are repulsed, why do similar incidencts keep recurring? Meanwhile we stand idly by...
Simple, Saudi buys our weapons and we buy their oil.

Commerce is so much more important than human rights dontcha know...
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Because they eat lots of pork and get shitfaced like we do...

That's just a theory I have. If you don't like I can make up other theories.

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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

Originally Posted by Norm_uk
Because they eat lots of pork and get shitfaced like we do...

That's just a theory I have. If you don't like I can make up other theories.

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Originally Posted by redShark
You can't be more wrong. The state of Israel was founded upon the teaching of the Bible. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced, wars were fought, and all of that was a direct result of implementing this Biblical law, and, yes ... it was all done in the 20th Century
What does the creation of the state of Israel have to do with Jews literally following every law in their bible? Zionism is a secular doctrine - the Jews are tribal people and there is no requirement to be religious in order to be Jewish. Indeed, the Nazi's and their allies didn't seem to care much about putting secularists, atheists or religious people in the gas chambers did they? Around half of Israelis Jews identify as secular and regularly protest their religious kin.

If you want to go down this route you'll have to explain why fundamentalist Muslims believe that lands once conquered by Muslims will always belong to them, and that they can justify war against people who take lands they steal. This is why Al Queada's and their ilk list of demands includes the Balkans and Spain...and the restoration of the Islamic Empire. That will affect a lot more than a few million Arabs who could have been easily absorbed into neighbouring states like the Jews in the region who were absorbed into Israel.

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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

Originally Posted by Desert Dubliner
In fact he was referring to the rape and murder of the little girl and subsequent acquittal of the perpetrator, being highly unlikely outcome amongst most Orthodox Jews. This generic and inaccurate waffle on the origin of state if Israel is pointless in this context.
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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

Originally Posted by redShark
Blaming religions for the ills in the world is a kin to blaming the sun for the problem of skin cancers. the sun is not to blame, it is rather the fools that abuse the sun shine
Response one: If religions are actually all ok (and some are better than others) why are they so easily abused? You'd think god would be able to make it clear and simple to the creatures he supposedly created.

Response two: Please explain how being allowed to beat disobedient wives, treating non-believers badly, stoning women for adultery and dozen of other low points in some religions are not to blame? Especially when Abrahamic religion generally teaches that it is perfect, complete and cannot be changed...what hope of reform is there?

We're not talking about Jainism (where the more extreme a follower becomes the safer the world is, even for insects) or Buddhism (where followers were told not to believe anything just because it's tradition, culture or written in a book) are we?

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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy
1st quote: Bollocks to tolerance. We in the West tolerate Saudi Arabia's approach to human rights abuses. We didn't in Iraq (or so we said), so why should we in Saudi?

2nd quote: Meanwhile we stand idly by...
We should not interfere in any of this, including Iraq. **** them, why should we become the world's police, it will always go against us in the end. Always one aggrieved party regardless of the outcome.

We should only deal with these countries purely on commerce grounds, buy or sell but let them do whatever they like to each other inside their boundaries.
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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

Originally Posted by Scamp
I just like blaming them for stuff.

Amazon being cut down? China
Burned my spag-bol? China
AXA won't discount my insurance? China
Bloke shouting? Chinese

See...China. Not to be trusted, they spoil everything.
Well my wife is Chinese and I blame her for everything...having to come home early before I reach Nirvana with Scotch, having to work and be responsible...the list goes on.

You might be on to something - I still like blaming Socialists though, it transcends race and nation and allows me to hate all people equally.

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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

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You might be on to something - I still like blaming Socialists though, it transcends race and nation and allows me to hate all people equally.

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You will struggle to hate Americans on those grounds though
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It's good to have Norm back. Whether you agree with him or not, he makes you think and challenge your own perceptions of things, and best of all, he doesn't take himself too seriously.
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Default Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter

Originally Posted by Norm_uk
Well my wife is Chinese and I blame her for everything...having to come home early before I reach Nirvana with Scotch, having to work and be responsible...the list goes on.

You might be on to something - I still like blaming Socialists though, it transcends race and nation and allows me to hate all people equally.

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Sorry, I'm sure she is lovely.

Still, technically it's her fault that Reg Presley just died.

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You will struggle to hate Americans on those grounds though
I don't find many Yanks that hateful. They're harmless one to one.
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