Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
#63
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I think that this thread shows just how divided people are on such issues. What we all have to remember is that all societies are different. The key is tolerance. Its when one society tries to impose its ideals on another society that problems occur. We should also remember that it is not that many generations ago that people were being executed in the UK for relatively modest offences
As a poster stated above, almost everyone including all Saudi people would be repulsed by what this father allegedly did to his daughter. That is not the issue in contention. The issue we are debating is the justice that he should receive and its quite clear that society is heavily divided on this.
As a poster stated above, almost everyone including all Saudi people would be repulsed by what this father allegedly did to his daughter. That is not the issue in contention. The issue we are debating is the justice that he should receive and its quite clear that society is heavily divided on this.
I think everyone is repulsed by what the father did to his daughter, irrespective of his country, his religion and his profession.
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
I think that this thread shows just how divided people are on such issues. What we all have to remember is that all societies are different. The key is tolerance. Its when one society tries to impose its ideals on another society that problems occur. We should also remember that it is not that many generations ago that people were being executed in the UK for relatively modest offences
As a poster stated above, almost everyone including all Saudi people would be repulsed by what this father allegedly did to his daughter. That is not the issue in contention. The issue we are debating is the justice that he should receive and its quite clear that society is heavily divided on this.
As a poster stated above, almost everyone including all Saudi people would be repulsed by what this father allegedly did to his daughter. That is not the issue in contention. The issue we are debating is the justice that he should receive and its quite clear that society is heavily divided on this.
2nd quote: No, the issue is the West's continuing acceptance of dealing with an entire regime that permits such atrocities to continue. Even Indonesia had the balls to stand up to them and withdraw their citizens serving (enslaved) there as maids. If, as you say, all Saudi people are repulsed, why do similar incidencts keep recurring? Meanwhile we stand idly by...
#65
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1st quote: Bollocks to tolerance. We in the West tolerate Saudi Arabia's approach to human rights abuses. We didn't in Iraq (or so we said), so why should we in Saudi?
2nd quote: No, the issue is the West's continuing acceptance of dealing with an entire regime that permits such atrocities to continue. Even Indonesia had the balls to stand up to them and withdraw their citizens serving (enslaved) there as maids. If, as you say, all Saudi people are repulsed, why do similar incidencts keep recurring? Meanwhile we stand idly by...
2nd quote: No, the issue is the West's continuing acceptance of dealing with an entire regime that permits such atrocities to continue. Even Indonesia had the balls to stand up to them and withdraw their citizens serving (enslaved) there as maids. If, as you say, all Saudi people are repulsed, why do similar incidencts keep recurring? Meanwhile we stand idly by...
Commerce is so much more important than human rights dontcha know...
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Re: Saudi preacher gets light sentence for killing daughter
Amazon being cut down? China
Burned my spag-bol? China
AXA won't discount my insurance? China
Bloke shouting? Chinese
See...China. Not to be trusted, they spoil everything.
#68
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You can't be more wrong. The state of Israel was founded upon the teaching of the Bible. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced, wars were fought, and all of that was a direct result of implementing this Biblical law, and, yes ... it was all done in the 20th Century
If you want to go down this route you'll have to explain why fundamentalist Muslims believe that lands once conquered by Muslims will always belong to them, and that they can justify war against people who take lands they steal. This is why Al Queada's and their ilk list of demands includes the Balkans and Spain...and the restoration of the Islamic Empire. That will affect a lot more than a few million Arabs who could have been easily absorbed into neighbouring states like the Jews in the region who were absorbed into Israel.
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#69
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In fact he was referring to the rape and murder of the little girl and subsequent acquittal of the perpetrator, being highly unlikely outcome amongst most Orthodox Jews. This generic and inaccurate waffle on the origin of state if Israel is pointless in this context.
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Response two: Please explain how being allowed to beat disobedient wives, treating non-believers badly, stoning women for adultery and dozen of other low points in some religions are not to blame? Especially when Abrahamic religion generally teaches that it is perfect, complete and cannot be changed...what hope of reform is there?
We're not talking about Jainism (where the more extreme a follower becomes the safer the world is, even for insects) or Buddhism (where followers were told not to believe anything just because it's tradition, culture or written in a book) are we?
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#71
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We should only deal with these countries purely on commerce grounds, buy or sell but let them do whatever they like to each other inside their boundaries.
#72
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You might be on to something - I still like blaming Socialists though, it transcends race and nation and allows me to hate all people equally.
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#74
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It's good to have Norm back. Whether you agree with him or not, he makes you think and challenge your own perceptions of things, and best of all, he doesn't take himself too seriously.
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Well my wife is Chinese and I blame her for everything...having to come home early before I reach Nirvana with Scotch, having to work and be responsible...the list goes on.
You might be on to something - I still like blaming Socialists though, it transcends race and nation and allows me to hate all people equally.
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You might be on to something - I still like blaming Socialists though, it transcends race and nation and allows me to hate all people equally.
N.
Still, technically it's her fault that Reg Presley just died.
I don't find many Yanks that hateful. They're harmless one to one.