Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 12448156)

I have a colleague who I call Teflon openly, especially to his face.

Originally Posted by ExpatAl (Post 12448166)

Bad posture - can't stand it. Even mentioned to the missus that we wouldn't be together if she had a hunch. Or scraping the feet whilst walking (seems to be particularly prevalent amongst the Filipino community...)

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12448145)

True, but the slippery nature of letting middle managers make decisions and then blaming them or taking the credit is just ****ing pathetic. It's all far too prevalent at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 12448203)

It was ever thus.

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12448227)

I guess I'm being ambitious thinking it might not continue forever or that some companies might be different.

I should work for a start up. I'm close enough to being a proper millennial. :thumbup:

Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 12448327)

I'm close -- I hope -- to hanging up my estimating dice and putting away my scale rule. On balance I'll miss it, but there are many things which are endemic and which I won't miss, such as the teflon guys and the structures which allow them to prosper. I haven't come across a company that's significantly free of it, but I haven't work for a start up (although, as a student, I did work for Early Learning when it operated out of a glorified shed -- as far as I could tell it was all hands to the pump with everyone pulling their weight: I wonder if that holds good today).

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12450263)

I'm staggered at the amount of *****, yes, actual *****, who thrive by being *****.

What to do? Lower yourself to being a **** to hope you prosper too or at least try to conquer working life with some positive moral standing?

Originally Posted by weasel decentral (Post 12450980)

In my opinion a lot of the problem is that many of the managers have not come up through the ranks or earned their stripes so to speak. If you don't have the knowledge base you will either have to bullshit or be some kind of **** to get by.
Now put that guy in a position of authority and most of his hires are also going to be either bullshitters or *****, because he can't personally tell the difference and perhaps will also be threatened by someone with actual knowledge.

This circle of shit is generally what establishes a toxic work atmosphere in my experience. On the plus side when one senior good manager does come into the business, you can see all these guys getting weeded out.

Originally Posted by weasel decentral (Post 12450980)

In my opinion a lot of the problem is that many of the managers have not come up through the ranks or earned their stripes so to speak. If you don't have the knowledge base you will either have to bullshit or be some kind of **** to get by.
Now put that guy in a position of authority and most of his hires are also going to be either bullshitters or *****, because he can't personally tell the difference and perhaps will also be threatened by someone with actual knowledge.

This circle of shit is generally what establishes a toxic work atmosphere in my experience. On the plus side when one senior good manager does come into the business, you can see all these guys getting weeded out.