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Old Dec 14th 2011, 6:03 am
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ers---off.html

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I've got zero sympathy for the helmet, to reply pretending to be someone else, to 4,000 people, swearing and being rude is just ridiculous.

That being said, anyone that sends their CV to 4,000 people with the option to 'reply all' needs shot.
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we just paid £14K to a recruitment agency to find someone who I've known for 10 years and who's number I would have given them for nowt if they'd asked
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we just paid £14K to a recruitment agency to find someone who I've known for 10 years and who's number I would have given them for nowt if they'd asked
It happens all the time.

Just had a guy offered by a Project Director who had worked on a job with the guy 3 years ago, but hadn't thought to call him and ask him if he were keen.

It's daylight robbery in some respects but a lot of people are too busy or don't know how to get someone on board that they know.

If you wrote down everyone good you've ever worked with, you'd have a database to rival most recruiters.

But don't, please...
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If you wrote down everyone good you've ever worked with, you'd have a database to rival most recruiters..
and wouldn't need HR nor recruitment agencies and would operate more quickly, efficiently and cheaply

ho hum
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and wouldn't need HR nor recruitment agencies and would operate more quickly, efficiently and cheaply

ho hum
More to the point, why didn't you call me?
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small world - I recognized some names in the that story.
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we just paid £14K to a recruitment agency to find someone who I've known for 10 years and who's number I would have given them for nowt if they'd asked
14k seems a lot, however there is some comfort to be had using the agency to protect you from the potential fall out if the guy doesn't work out.

I have had the experience of people I highly recommended having either personality clashes with existing staff, or just not fitting the role so I usually tell them to contact xyz agency and then work from there. Shields you from the nepotism/favouritism charge also.

But 14K this is a ridiculous fee
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I was "headhunted" to my firm via a recruiter who literally went on linkedin and did a search for people who do my job...he was paid at least $5000 for that (which makes me wonder if I am in the right industry )

I think I was the last time we used a recruiter after I told them how I was found. Now we do almost our recruiting in house via word of mouth...and it works fine.

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But 14K this is a ridiculous fee
Seriously? I thought it was peanuts. Different industry I guess...
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Seriously? I thought it was peanuts. Different industry I guess...
Well I don't know the level of the guy but 14k (sterling) is not something I would pay unless its something very specific or hard to recruit. The construction industry fees dropped a lot in the last year from what I see, as the agencies got more competitive.
I assume agency salaries and bonuses must have dropped, and also the old trick of squeezing the candidate to accept a lower salary is fairly prevalent at the moment.
Just wittering on now, but the main thing I see at the moment is very over qualified candidates being put forward for lower roles, like former project directors working as construction managers type thing.
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Well I don't know the level of the guy but 14k (sterling) is not something I would pay unless its something very specific or hard to recruit. The construction industry fees dropped a lot in the last year from what I see, as the agencies got more competitive.
I assume agency salaries and bonuses must have dropped, and also the old trick of squeezing the candidate to accept a lower salary is fairly prevalent at the moment.
Just wittering on now, but the main thing I see at the moment is very over qualified candidates being put forward for lower roles, like former project directors working as construction managers type thing.
Pretty much all correct.

Fees are shite now, lots of companies just take the piss, but good companies still pay an alright % because they see value.

I work roles in places I wouldn't have bothered with before, I work roles that are harder to fill that I'd have ignored before. Gone are the days when you interview a good PM and get him to your favourite clients and they all want him...

That being said, candidates are going for lesser jobs, good candidates are still employed though and clients need a little educating to realise that if someone is happily employed and not looking, you can't offer them 25% less than they get currently because of "market conditions".

It's all a bit give and take and the few 000's here and there make a difference.

£14k is not a massive fee. Depends how it was arranged - if it was just contingent placement on a massive salary then fair play. If it was retained etc then it's alright.

I'd never try and get a candidate to take less money. I'd tell a candidate if the offer won't be increased at all and let them make a decision, can't do a lot more than that and at the level I deal with, most of the negotiating is quite straight forward.

Some stuff's easy, some stuff takes months to land and is a hassle, fees are shit but they are still there to be earned and fees make bonus so I won't complain.

The bloke in the article is a prick mind.
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I'm going off recruiters. Some in the Middle East are just rude and arrogant and just reject applications without the slightest hint why.
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14k seems a lot, however there is some comfort to be had using the agency to protect you from the potential fall out if the guy doesn't work out.
That's pretty cheap. The going rate is 30-40% of negotiated salary as the finders fee.

A mate of mine was approached by a recruiter for a new job...turns out to be for a position at the company he is working for, on the exact team he's working on
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ers---off.html

You lot are going to love this...

I've got zero sympathy for the helmet, to reply pretending to be someone else, to 4,000 people, swearing and being rude is just ridiculous.

That being said, anyone that sends their CV to 4,000 people with the option to 'reply all' needs shot.
I had the most unprofessional conversation with some chaps from Ran.....Mena the other week .

What a bunch of unprofessional arseholes , no wonder recruiters get a bad name and these guys think they're the best !
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