Ramadan Kareem !
Apr 21st 2013, 6:15 pm
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Re: Ramadan Kareem !
Redshark reminds me of that commentator on Saudi English language TV. I cannot rememebr his name but he is billed as "Professor of Astrophysics and Islamic Sciences"
A prize for the poster who comes up with his name !
A prize for the poster who comes up with his name !
Apr 21st 2013, 6:34 pm
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Wow ! A real Whizzbang ! No the guy on Saudi Channel 2 LOOKED sane.
Apr 21st 2013, 11:45 pm
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OK, except that humans, and all animals, are not created of energy but flesh and that flesh will die if it doesn't receive 'energy' in the form of food. Once dead the body decays.
I do fully understand the concept you describe but it's not applicable to animals. Also it misses the point I was asking, who/what says that the place you describe post death is as you describe?
I do fully understand the concept you describe but it's not applicable to animals. Also it misses the point I was asking, who/what says that the place you describe post death is as you describe?
What does it matter how/where it is? The implication of its existence is what really matters
Anyhow, like I said, this is how I see ultimate justice implemented, but if you have another explanation, I would be interested to know it
Apr 22nd 2013, 3:29 am
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For me there is no implication of anything after death. You die, the end.
Apr 22nd 2013, 7:03 am
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Agreed. There is no evidence to the contrary and no logic in there being an afterlife/heaven. It's just brainwashing to persuade the masses to put with with miserable lives and keep them in their place.
Life here and now is what matters. Sod any organised religion (all of them), just be a decent person, considerate and kind. Surely no one needs to be told how to do those things?
Apr 22nd 2013, 7:49 am
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Agreed. There is no evidence to the contrary and no logic in there being an afterlife/heaven. It's just brainwashing to persuade the masses to put with with miserable lives and keep them in their place.
Life here and now is what matters. Sod any organised religion (all of them), just be a decent person, considerate and kind. Surely no one needs to be told how to do those things?
Life here and now is what matters. Sod any organised religion (all of them), just be a decent person, considerate and kind. Surely no one needs to be told how to do those things?
I think it is an insult to humanity to suggest that the end of Hitler and Mother Tereza is the same
Apr 22nd 2013, 7:51 am
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Apr 22nd 2013, 7:52 am
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So when you die you'll get unlimited pleasures and Joe Bloggs down the road who is a Christian will not?
Will he get the unlimited pleasures of heaven or is that something you consider to be impossible becuse it's not the same heaven that you believe in? Therefore you get your pleasure and everyone else get's nothing?
Apr 22nd 2013, 8:01 am
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Why?
So when you die you'll get unlimited pleasures and Joe Bloggs down the road who is a Christian will not?
Will he get the unlimited pleasures of heaven or is that something you consider to be impossible becuse it's not the same heaven that you believe in? Therefore you get your pleasure and everyone else get's nothing?
So when you die you'll get unlimited pleasures and Joe Bloggs down the road who is a Christian will not?
Will he get the unlimited pleasures of heaven or is that something you consider to be impossible becuse it's not the same heaven that you believe in? Therefore you get your pleasure and everyone else get's nothing?
Apr 22nd 2013, 8:01 am
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Re: Ramadan Kareem !
Hold on.
I wouldn't go so far as to call it brainwashing as that implies a deliberate attempt by a small group of people to manipulate the majority. People aren't successfully 'brainwashed' unless they really want to believe what they're being told.
Gods, religions, the afterlife/heaven speak more of an deeper human need to try and understand the world around us and our place in it. Whether or not they exist is besides the point. It helps explain why despite church attendance in the UK under 5% the clear majority still believe in a higher being.
I've long given up caring whether gods exist or not but I do periodically wonder how it all got started. The universe. The pre-universe. The pre-pre-pre universe. Who/what is the ultimate creator whatever he/she/it/nameless particle may be. It's the infinity concept that gets to me when everything is supposed to be finite, right? If there is a beginning as defined by the big bang then what was there before the big bang? If there's a higher being behind it all, how did the higher being come about?
It never ends, doesn't it? My brain aches when I try to think about it too much.
I wouldn't go so far as to call it brainwashing as that implies a deliberate attempt by a small group of people to manipulate the majority. People aren't successfully 'brainwashed' unless they really want to believe what they're being told.
Gods, religions, the afterlife/heaven speak more of an deeper human need to try and understand the world around us and our place in it. Whether or not they exist is besides the point. It helps explain why despite church attendance in the UK under 5% the clear majority still believe in a higher being.
I've long given up caring whether gods exist or not but I do periodically wonder how it all got started. The universe. The pre-universe. The pre-pre-pre universe. Who/what is the ultimate creator whatever he/she/it/nameless particle may be. It's the infinity concept that gets to me when everything is supposed to be finite, right? If there is a beginning as defined by the big bang then what was there before the big bang? If there's a higher being behind it all, how did the higher being come about?
It never ends, doesn't it? My brain aches when I try to think about it too much.
Agreed. There is no evidence to the contrary and no logic in there being an afterlife/heaven. It's just brainwashing to persuade the masses to put with with miserable lives and keep them in their place.
Life here and now is what matters. Sod any organised religion (all of them), just be a decent person, considerate and kind. Surely no one needs to be told how to do those things?
Life here and now is what matters. Sod any organised religion (all of them), just be a decent person, considerate and kind. Surely no one needs to be told how to do those things?
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