This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
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This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
The British public have factually-incorrect attitudes about almost all the major issues - and the really sad thing is that despite the title of the article, it's not a spoof.
British public wrong about nearly everything
British public wrong about nearly everything
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
The British public have factually-incorrect attitudes about almost all the major issues - and the really sad thing is that despite the title of the article, it's not a spoof.
British public wrong about nearly everything
British public wrong about nearly everything
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
Yes, that's probably about your level.
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
The British public have factually-incorrect attitudes about almost all the major issues - and the really sad thing is that despite the title of the article, it's not a spoof.
British public wrong about nearly everything
British public wrong about nearly everything
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
It's about perceptions. If you read many of the papers you'd get the impression that the country is over run with dodgy foreigners, full of criminals and is a social wasteland and people take that on board even if it has nothing to do with their own experience.
I think this summarises it well:
"Hetan Shah, executive director of the Royal Statistical Society, said: "Our data poses real challenges for policymakers. How can you develop good policy when public perceptions can be so out of kilter with the evidence?
"We need to see three things happen. First, politicians need to be better at talking about the real state of affairs of the country, rather than spinning the numbers. Secondly, the media has to try and genuinely illuminate issues, rather than use statistics to sensationalise."
Sensationalism sells newspapers. General good news and facts doesn't.
Maybe the people do get the government they deserve?
I think this summarises it well:
"Hetan Shah, executive director of the Royal Statistical Society, said: "Our data poses real challenges for policymakers. How can you develop good policy when public perceptions can be so out of kilter with the evidence?
"We need to see three things happen. First, politicians need to be better at talking about the real state of affairs of the country, rather than spinning the numbers. Secondly, the media has to try and genuinely illuminate issues, rather than use statistics to sensationalise."
Sensationalism sells newspapers. General good news and facts doesn't.
Maybe the people do get the government they deserve?
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
The British public have factually-incorrect attitudes about almost all the major issues - and the really sad thing is that despite the title of the article, it's not a spoof.
British public wrong about nearly everything
British public wrong about nearly everything
As an aside, I wonder who they actually polled. 15% of girls under 16 get pregnant? Who actually thinks that? Or were the questions put in such a way that that was the most obvious choice? "Which is closer to the truth: only one in a million girls under 16 gets pregnant, or 15%?"
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
So there's one item in that list that relates to UKIP (immigration). With most of the other parties spouting about benefit fraud, immigration and crime, your assertion that ignorance is pushing voters towards UKIP is ill-founded. You're the one who's adding the "lies, damned lies and" bit.
As an aside, I wonder who they actually polled. 15% of girls under 16 get pregnant? Who actually thinks that? Or were the questions put in such a way that that was the most obvious choice? "Which is closer to the truth: only one in a million girls under 16 gets pregnant, or 15%?"
As an aside, I wonder who they actually polled. 15% of girls under 16 get pregnant? Who actually thinks that? Or were the questions put in such a way that that was the most obvious choice? "Which is closer to the truth: only one in a million girls under 16 gets pregnant, or 15%?"
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
This was a MORI poll, a well known pollsters so it isn't unreasonable to assume that they used a representative sample of people.
The research, carried out by Ipsos Mori from a phone survey of 1,015 people aged 16 to 75
You can find it on their website if you want as all polls can be found on there. This dates back to July 2013.
I think it's misleading to focus on whether this is why more people support UKIP or not, but it is interesting how wrong many people's perceptions are.
EDIT> A few keystrokes and tah-dah... http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpu...t-reality.aspx Methodology notes available.
The research, carried out by Ipsos Mori from a phone survey of 1,015 people aged 16 to 75
You can find it on their website if you want as all polls can be found on there. This dates back to July 2013.
I think it's misleading to focus on whether this is why more people support UKIP or not, but it is interesting how wrong many people's perceptions are.
EDIT> A few keystrokes and tah-dah... http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpu...t-reality.aspx Methodology notes available.
Last edited by Meow; May 12th 2014 at 7:50 am.
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
This was a MORI poll, a well known pollsters so it isn't unreasonable to assume that they used a representative sample of people.
The research, carried out by Ipsos Mori from a phone survey of 1,015 people aged 16 to 75
You can find it on their website if you want as all polls can be found on there. This dates back to July 2013.
I think it's misleading to focus on whether this is why more people support UKIP or not, but it is interesting how wrong many people's perceptions are.
The research, carried out by Ipsos Mori from a phone survey of 1,015 people aged 16 to 75
You can find it on their website if you want as all polls can be found on there. This dates back to July 2013.
I think it's misleading to focus on whether this is why more people support UKIP or not, but it is interesting how wrong many people's perceptions are.
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
This was a MORI poll, a well known pollsters so it isn't unreasonable to assume that they used a representative sample of people.
The research, carried out by Ipsos Mori from a phone survey of 1,015 people aged 16 to 75
You can find it on their website if you want as all polls can be found on there. This dates back to July 2013.
I think it's misleading to focus on whether this is why more people support UKIP or not, but it is interesting how wrong many people's perceptions are.
The research, carried out by Ipsos Mori from a phone survey of 1,015 people aged 16 to 75
You can find it on their website if you want as all polls can be found on there. This dates back to July 2013.
I think it's misleading to focus on whether this is why more people support UKIP or not, but it is interesting how wrong many people's perceptions are.
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
A lot of people will vote UKIP knowing it won't make a bit of difference to the running of the country per se, but just to fire a warning shot over the bows of the main parties. Lets face it, even if everyone voted UKIP in the Euro elections, then the lives of UK people will NOT be affected, as UKIP shouldn't take up their seats in the EU parliament if their party name means anything, but of course they will just to get the big bucks that EU parliament members get, and the free travel to and from Brussels.
That kind of behaviour by UKIP, or any MEP, is wrong and hypocritical.
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
A lot of people will vote UKIP knowing it won't make a bit of difference to the running of the country per se, but just to fire a warning shot over the bows of the main parties. Lets face it, even if everyone voted UKIP in the Euro elections, then the lives of UK people will NOT be affected, as UKIP shouldn't take up their seats in the EU parliament if their party name means anything, but of course they will just to get the big bucks that EU parliament members get, and the free travel to and from Brussels.
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
Social media plays a major role these days too, with people automatically sharing all the ill-informed and often blatantly false memes about immigration, benefit scroungers and so on that crop up on Facebook all the time.
Last edited by Eeyore; May 12th 2014 at 1:12 pm.
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Re: This probably explains why UKIP is gaining support
Absolutely. The likes of the Sun and the Daily Mail are among the biggest culprits of course, because TV manages to be much less sensationalist about these issues. The papers have been particularly keen to swallow all the bullshit the Tories have been spreading about benefit cheats over the last 5 years or so too, which is probably a big part of the reason why so many people are so wide of the mark about how much of a problem benefit fraud actually is.
Social media plays a major role these days too, with people automatically sharing all the ill-informed and often blatantly false memes about immigration, benefit scroungers and so on that crop up on Facebook all the time.
Social media plays a major role these days too, with people automatically sharing all the ill-informed and often blatantly false memes about immigration, benefit scroungers and so on that crop up on Facebook all the time.
But this seems to illustrate some of this (and other) thread(s) up quite well:-
The random Muslim scare story generator: separating fact from fiction
Halal meat is on every menu; sharia law is taking over; the niqab is undermining the nation.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...l-sharia-niqab