Prince George: third in line to the throne, unless........
Jul 28th 2013, 5:43 am
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Re: Prince George: third in line to the throne, unless........
I'm afraid your Mum's friend appears to be talking out of her arse.
George II was succeeded by his Grandson George III, who was the son of Frederick Prince of Wales. Frederick had a still living brother, the Duke of Cumberland.
Richard II was likewise grandson of Edward III, through the Black Prince. Ultimately this dynastic succession issue played itself out as the Wars of the Roses.
There's a difference between Agnatic primogeniture, which is what's used, and Agnatic seniority, which isn't, but was a more generally common principle in the past when the age of the heir mattered in terms of their ability to fulfil the role, and the chances of there being a minor on the throne was much higher. Certainly post the act of Union, which is probably the cut-off point that matters here, the British throne has gone via primogeniture.
The Scottish Clans use agnatic seniority (sometimes? - no sure if they all do) to select their new Chief, which may explain the Scot's letter. More likely he was shit stirring.
George II was succeeded by his Grandson George III, who was the son of Frederick Prince of Wales. Frederick had a still living brother, the Duke of Cumberland.
Richard II was likewise grandson of Edward III, through the Black Prince. Ultimately this dynastic succession issue played itself out as the Wars of the Roses.
There's a difference between Agnatic primogeniture, which is what's used, and Agnatic seniority, which isn't, but was a more generally common principle in the past when the age of the heir mattered in terms of their ability to fulfil the role, and the chances of there being a minor on the throne was much higher. Certainly post the act of Union, which is probably the cut-off point that matters here, the British throne has gone via primogeniture.
The Scottish Clans use agnatic seniority (sometimes? - no sure if they all do) to select their new Chief, which may explain the Scot's letter. More likely he was shit stirring.
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Jul 28th 2013, 6:04 am
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Re: Prince George: third in line to the throne, unless........
Are you sure? I found a letter in last Friday's Times that agrees with me, but that was written by a Scotsman........
I do remember reading somewhere that the whole line changes if an heir (as opposed to the monarch) dies, but couldn't quote chapter-and-verse now........ anyway, waiting for feedback from my 'contact'.
I do remember reading somewhere that the whole line changes if an heir (as opposed to the monarch) dies, but couldn't quote chapter-and-verse now........ anyway, waiting for feedback from my 'contact'.
Jul 28th 2013, 6:52 am
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Re: Prince George: third in line to the throne, unless........
Charming.
Jul 28th 2013, 11:10 am
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Re: Prince George: third in line to the throne, unless........
Flogging a dead horse? Nobody is forcing you to reply.............. I'll see what comes back.
Jul 29th 2013, 5:36 am
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Re: Prince George: third in line to the throne, unless........
For a long time the British Royal family have posed two mysteries to me. The first mystery was actually solved last year, but the second one is still yet to be resolved. The one that was solved was to do with prince William; Why he always smiles whenever he sees a busty lady. Silvio Berlusconi solved that mystery for me when his magazines published photographs of princes Kate sun bathing.
Now the unresolved mystery, is to do with the Duke of Edinburgh. I just don’t know what to make of that chap. I mean think about it, a nice and vibrant looking guy (when he was younger off course) , with lots of wealth and fame, and with lots of pretty women dreaming to have him in bed. Yet there have never been rumours of affairs or infidelity registered against him. Is it really because his private life is a taboo in the British media as this might hurt the Queen! Or is he really as authentic as he appears to be (which defies all logic). I wish I knew!!!
Now the unresolved mystery, is to do with the Duke of Edinburgh. I just don’t know what to make of that chap. I mean think about it, a nice and vibrant looking guy (when he was younger off course) , with lots of wealth and fame, and with lots of pretty women dreaming to have him in bed. Yet there have never been rumours of affairs or infidelity registered against him. Is it really because his private life is a taboo in the British media as this might hurt the Queen! Or is he really as authentic as he appears to be (which defies all logic). I wish I knew!!!
Whats he said thats so bad to deserve a telling off ?
So Prince William likes big boobs and Prince Andrew is Happy
?, thought everyone knew that ?Love the Royal Family
Jul 29th 2013, 12:35 pm
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Re: Prince George: third in line to the throne, unless........
haha just dawned on me im getting everyone mixed up !!
I dont think the Duke has ever cheated on The Queen but Prince Andrew is still happy
I dont think the Duke has ever cheated on The Queen but Prince Andrew is still happy
Jul 29th 2013, 1:03 pm
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Jul 29th 2013, 2:28 pm
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I agree... rather than that Bull Frog, really don't like her 
Jul 29th 2013, 4:07 pm
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Jul 29th 2013, 4:20 pm
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.... Now the unresolved mystery, is to do with the Duke of Edinburgh. I just don’t know what to make of that chap. I mean think about it, a nice and vibrant looking guy (when he was younger off course) , with lots of wealth and fame, and with lots of pretty women dreaming to have him in bed. Yet there have never been rumours of affairs or infidelity registered against him. Is it really because his private life is a taboo in the British media as this might hurt the Queen! Or is he really as authentic as he appears to be (which defies all logic). I wish I knew!!!
http://ukscreen.com/blogs/the-prince...-the-showgirl/
A couple of minutes with Google revealed that the above is not the only rumour, and my mother told me many years ago of such rumours, and that Prince Edward was conveniently delivered (more than four years after Andrew, when the Queen already had "an heir and a spare") to quash rumours of a possible split between the Queen and Prince Philip.
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