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mikewot Jan 5th 2014 3:29 am

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Markudhe you need to read up on some history. It's not that long ago you could be arrested in the USA for having alcohol, it was a period called prohibition. It's not that long since it was illegal to be homosexual in the UK. You must have read recently of Alan Turings pardon?

NorthernLad Jan 5th 2014 5:47 am

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Originally Posted by markuhde (Post 11063020)
Maybe I will, got any suggestions where to go? In the middle east, Tel Aviv is one place that interests me, and Dubai is another. I've heard Tel Aviv can actually, shockingly to me, be a bit of a party city if you avoid the religious parts.

What are the best (best as in inexpensive) ways to get there from London? I'm making an assumption it's much cheaper to fly from London than from Seattle...

I was once told 'believe nowt of what you hear and half of what you see' - this is very true for this region.

When you read these reports in the papers there is often more to the story than is printed. Take Vince and Michelle's sex on the beach escapade - they were warned once by the police but ignored this, continued and she threw a shoe at the copper when they were warned again.

Try reading the Daily Mail - you'll get a very different view on the UK than actual reality.

Considering the local culture here and the relgious aspect, Dubai is very accomodating.

As for Tel Aviv - great city, fantastic bars/clubs. Just make sure on entry you ask for a removable stamp (this is fairly normal) and avoids any issues if travelling within the Middle East.

Millsyisland Jan 5th 2014 6:32 am

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Originally Posted by NorthernLad (Post 11063397)
As for Tel Aviv - great city, fantastic bars/clubs. Just make sure on entry you ask for a removable stamp (this is fairly normal) and avoids any issues if travelling within the Middle East.

Removable stamp? As in they do it on a separate bit of paper or something and you can simply take it out to remove the evidence of the visit?

Very accommodating of them I'd say!

Scamp Jan 5th 2014 6:42 am

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Originally Posted by Millsyisland (Post 11063435)
Removable stamp? As in they do it on a separate bit of paper or something and you can simply take it out to remove the evidence of the visit?

Very accommodating of them I'd say!

Yep, my old dear went to the country that must not be name and didn't even ask for a removable one, they just did it on paper and stapled it in.

NorthernLad Jan 5th 2014 6:42 am

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Originally Posted by Millsyisland (Post 11063435)
Removable stamp? As in they do it on a separate bit of paper or something and you can simply take it out to remove the evidence of the visit?

Very accommodating of them I'd say!

Yep, its a slip of paper. When I flew in a lot of people were asking for it, no questions/hassle from passport control guys.

Millsyisland Jan 5th 2014 6:47 am

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Interesting - I know there are 2 sides to everything, but I could never see them doing something similar in Arab countries, if there were visa/stamp issues to enter 'that country'.

Markie Jan 5th 2014 6:50 am

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Yoohoo - definitely interested.

Mike - VERY aware of that. Heck, it's really only been the last couple YEARS that gay people didn't need to fear arrest in some circumstances where I live. But, I saw the Middle East as being far more restrictive, and it sounds on here like some of my opinions and views may have been very distorted by the media. I hope I get a chance to go check it out.

Northern - I wondered after hearing what some of you were saying if there were perhaps, more to the stories, than meets the eye. And gosh yeah, the Daily Mail is trash.

Everyone on removable stamps - I'm not really worried, I'd just present myself as American in Israel and British in the rest of the Middle East. I think that's okay, I've known a LOT of people who've gone to Israel. None who've went anywhere else in the Middle East though... just a bunch of religious fanatics making their pilgrimages to Israel.

scot47 Jan 5th 2014 4:30 pm

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Your post scriptim
P.S. Obviously I'm not an idiot"

might be challenged buy some

Markie Jan 5th 2014 4:33 pm

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Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 11064138)
Your post scriptim
!P.S. Obviously I'm not an idiot"

might be challenged buy some

Perhaps "buy [SIC]" those who cannot properly distinguish between buy and by? Or, perhaps, by those who use exclamation marks instead of quotation marks?

scot47 Jan 5th 2014 5:30 pm

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Better dyslexic than a dyke

Fossildog Jan 5th 2014 6:52 pm

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Why not visit somewhere where your lifestyle choices are more acceptable, and legal? There are loads of places around the world where you can enjoy alternative nights out without the legal complications. The Middle East is not really the place to come and try to test the locals patience. Or are you after the thrill of living dangerously? If so it seems quite disrespectful to want to come here.

Markie Jan 5th 2014 9:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Fossildog (Post 11064332)
Why not visit somewhere where your lifestyle choices are more acceptable, and legal? There are loads of places around the world where you can enjoy alternative nights out without the legal complications. The Middle East is not really the place to come and try to test the locals patience. Or are you after the thrill of living dangerously? If so it seems quite disrespectful to want to come here.

Nah, like I said, if I come visit it'll be entirely within the bounds of local law.

Myusernamewastaken Jan 5th 2014 9:25 pm

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You must have read recently of Alan Turings pardon?
This might not be the most politically correct post but I would have thought twice about giving him a pardon. It really opened a can of worms.

Firstly, he committed a crime and was punished accordingly. Laws and morals change over time, that's just how the UK and all other criminal systems work.

If someone did something illegal 10 years ago but that act would have been legal now, that person most probably wouldn't be "pardoned".

Secondly, what about everyone else in the same or similar case as Alan Turing? Only giving pardon to him means that everyone isn't equal before the law. I thought that was a Middle Eastern trait and not a UK.

mikewot Jan 6th 2014 3:38 am

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Originally Posted by Myusernamewastaken (Post 11064516)
Secondly, what about everyone else in the same or similar case as Alan Turing? Only giving pardon to him means that everyone isn't equal before the law. I thought that was a Middle Eastern trait and not a UK.

The pardon was for an act of gross indecency which, as recent historic research showed, was not correct under the (then) law.

Myusernamewastaken Jan 6th 2014 5:50 am

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The pardon was for an act of gross indecency which, as recent historic research showed, was not correct under the (then) law.
"Later, convinced by the advice of his brother and other lawyers, Turing entered a plea of "guilty"[..]"

"The petition gathered over 37,000 signatures, but the request was discouraged by Lord McNally, who gave the following opinion in his role as the Justice Minister:

A posthumous pardon was not considered appropriate as Alan Turing was properly convicted of what at the time was a criminal offence. He would have known that his offence was against the law and that he would be prosecuted.[..]"

The above are quotes from Wikipedia. I can't find any support, however only to the contrary, that the conviction was wrong in accordance with the then law. Where have you got your information from?


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