banter64

beardman with respect, islam allows a husband to beat his wife
how many arab guys expect the receptionist to sleep with them
how many muslim guys have mistress's
how many muslim guys beat their wives

Numbers talk - blinkers are not the way

Worldismine

Wouldn't being surrounded by turkeys make it easier?

Norm_uk

Hi

I think the reported rates appear higher simply because in western countries we have much more open, honest, and efficient ways of reporting crimes.

And it's common knowledge that in the west a rape victim is generally looked after a lot better than in other parts of the world (where they often face persecution, imprisonment, further rape or even death because of family "shame"). Most Western countries do not allow arranged marriages as they are a form of rape and abuse...

In any case no country is perfect. I would rather look at how a country contributes to the art, science, culture and positive history of humanity than how well it reports it's crimes.

N.

neil_95051

Wow!! That's shocking numbers

Why do we call West civilized people. For them looks like rape is just like drinking tea

Dubai is probably most liberal of the Arab states, even there I don't think 1 percent of this happens against women.

Beard Man

when you look at the numbers you will understand.

i am not saying all the western people are raping women. but there is something wrong and instade of dealing with it they attack islam.

Beard Man

the youngest mother in UK as far as i remember who was presented to the media was 12 years old. which means she started having sex 1 year before that if not more.

what ages do girls start having sex in UK by the way?

are there likely girls to start having sex at early age? like 8 or 9??

you answer this question and then come to think about the following

do you compare a 9 years old girl from today with a 9 years old girl who lived 300 years ago??

how about 600 years ago

how about then 1400 years ago ??


if you have a daughter who is 9 or 10 or even more like 15 years old at this time and who is ready to get married and have a family ... something real what is called a family .. not just a fake relationship. would you prefere that she gets married or spend her life switching between boyfriends?


girls at the past are different physically and mentally. and although a 9 years old girl got married to the phrophet you don't see muslims doing it because they understand the differences betweeen our time and their time.


the prophet didn't do anything wrong.

Beard Man

excuse me media is media

specially the saudi media is sometimes more horible than western media specially when handling islamic issues.

Beard Man

which question?

Beard Man

your words:

but women have little in the way of rights under islam, so the evidence isn't there?

The west doesn't hid its societies hideous crimes - something the middle east will hopefully stop doing at some point.

so are you saying in the middle east that there are no wife beaters? Perhaps they just rape and beat their housemaids then?

You should spend some time in the west, as you obviously read complete nonsense, or watch too much televisions..

This just doesn't happen in the west, at all.
where is the source of your numbers, as most of this is just made up rubbish..
the west cares about its victims of crime. Maybe your society will grow to care in the future..

islam leaves itself open to many and numerous interpretations.
You tell me something: Why in the UAE, are there prostitutes and alcohol?
the west lives in a world of free press. Unfortunately the middle east is not.
Maybe you should quote your sources..

my words?

what rights are you talking about?? that they have little in islam?? you may think islam is unfair to women but this is not true !! islam is not a man made principle it is ordered fromt he creator himself.

your rules weather to women or men or to what ever keeps changing because they are man made.
and i can ask the other way around what evidence is there that women is treated better in the west?

so you are claiming that government over here and all of the islamic governments are hiding statistics?? if so by how much are they going to hide? and based on what evidence are you saying that?

have i by any chance said that all muslims are perfect? if you noticed what i said was Women are treated better in Isalam i never said women are treated better by muslims.

i would love to spend more time in the west to understand it. because i feel the bad treatment i got from people in this forum is not really representing all the west and i believe there are alot of good people. I am not saying that there are no good people here. and one more thing i don't care about the media and i don't consider it as a trusted source of information.

My society care about vicitimes by giving proper punishment for rapists and by the islamic culture it self that helps to prevent rape.


what makes you think that UAE represents Islam ??

Beard Man

nearly 100? so not really 100?

what source of information provided this?

i am not saying it is not happening

but how many house maids are there from philipine only and what is the percentage of the provided figure to the total number?

and they claim that they got raped? did the police take part in the invistagation to prove it?

or is it a one side story

and can you tell me about the maids in the UK are they safe and never been raped?

Beard Man

what questions i didn't answer?

Beard Man

you may be right.

some raped women in islamic countries don't report getting raped for honor reaones. however,

flogging, stoning honour killing is not for the vicitim of the rape as you may think

it is for the criminal who raped her.

honour killing is something else, when the family kill their daughter because she accepted to have a sexual relation with a man outside married (not raped)

are there cases where a raped women getting killed (maybe i am not sure)

but the family have no right in islam to kill the daughter for being raped or even for being in a sexual relation.

this must go to the authorities who are applying law.

Beard Man

i agree that many rapes are not reported but do you think the number of reported cases in the west are normal ?

Beard Man

it seems you missed to post by Worldismine regarding beating women and i advice you to go up and read it again.

how many arab guys beat their wifes or have mistress's i don't know .. because i didn't count them
but please segregate between muslims and islam or between muslims and people who are following islamic principles !!


and go and ask your self the same questions


how many beated women are there in the west (by their husbands)
how many cheating is going on because of the life style they are living or what ever the reason is.

Beard Man

first of all allow me to thank you for being polite in talking to me.

thanks alot

i think you may find the following points interesting:

1) the number of reported rape cases in the west are very high

2) not all the cases are reported (which means the real numbers are even higher)

3) it is true that you have sort of an honest and efficient reporting system which i really respect it.

4) i said in another post that raped women don't get killed by their family because she is a victim (although i am not saying it is not happening)

5) the culture in islamic areas helps (and i stress on helpes) to prevent raping

by protecting the women using many ways (example she never travels alone to long distances or she is decently covered. no mixture between men and women and a very harsh punishment for those who rape women)

6) sience is very important and i agree with this that nations that give value to knowlege and sience are better but what is more important to me beside that is how the nation is approaching the creator of this univers and how indivdiuals are worshiping him. are they doing it the way they want or are they doing it the way he wants.

7) the second part of point number 6 is for those who believe in God only.