An Oak Tree

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In a room at Tate Modern there is a three-quarter full glass of water on a high shelf. It is a work by Michael Craig-Martin called An oak tree. Beside it there is the following text:

Q. To begin with, could you describe this work?

A. Yes, of course. What I've done is change a glass of water into a full-grown oak tree without altering the accidents of the glass of water.

Q. The accidents?

A. Yes. The colour, feel, weight, size ...

Q. Do you mean that the glass of water is a symbol of an oak tree?

A. No. It's not a symbol. I've changed the physical substance of the glass of water into that of an oak tree.

Q. It looks like a glass of water.

A. Of course it does. I didn't change its appearance. But it's not a glass of water, it's an oak tree.

Q. Can you prove what you've claimed to have done?

A. Well, yes and no. I claim to have maintained the physical form of the glass of water and, as you can see, I have. However, as one normally looks for evidence of physical change in terms of altered form, no such proof exists.

Q. Haven't you simply called this glass of water an oak tree?

A. Absolutely not. It is not a glass of water anymore. I have changed its actual substance. It would no longer be accurate to call it a glass of water. One could call it anything one wished but that would not alter the fact that it is an oak tree.

Q. Isn't this just a case of the emperor's new clothes?

A. No. With the emperor's new clothes people claimed to see something that wasn't there because they felt they should. I would be very surprised if anyone told me they saw an oak tree.

Q. Was it difficult to effect the change?

A. No effort at all. But it took me years of work before I realised I could do it.

Q. When precisely did the glass of water become an oak tree?

A. When I put the water in the glass.

Q. Does this happen every time you fill a glass with water?

A. No, of course not. Only when I intend to change it into an oak tree.

Q. Then intention causes the change?

A. I would say it precipitates the change.

Q. You don't know how you do it?

A. It contradicts what I feel I know about cause and effect.

Q. It seems to me that you are claiming to have worked a miracle. Isn't that the case?

A. I'm flattered that you think so.

Q. But aren't you the only person who can do something like this?

A. How could I know?

Q. Could you teach others to do it?

A. No, it's not something one can teach.

Q. Do you consider that changing the glass of water into an oak tree constitutes an art work?

A. Yes.

Q. What precisely is the art work? The glass of water?

A. There is no glass of water anymore.

Q. The process of change?

A. There is no process involved in the change.

Q. The oak tree?

A. Yes. The oak tree.

Q. But the oak tree only exists in the mind.

A. No. The actual oak tree is physically present but in the form of the glass of water. As the glass of water was a particular glass of water, the oak tree is also a particular oak tree. To conceive the category 'oak tree' or to picture a particular oak tree is not to understand and experience what appears to be a glass of water as an oak tree. Just as it is imperceivable it also inconceivable.

Q. Did the particular oak tree exist somewhere else before it took the form of a glass of water?

A. No. This particular oak tree did not exist previously. I should also point out that it does not and will not ever have any other form than that of a glass of water.

Q. How long will it continue to be an oak tree?

A. Until I change it.
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That sort of crap art makes me :curse::curse::curse:
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That sort of crap art makes me :curse::curse::curse:
Really? It's one of my favorite exhibits at the Tate Modern. It's very witty...
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Really? It's one of my favorite exhibits at the Tate Modern. It's very witty...

In ''my view'' its Bollox....
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In ''my view'' its Bollox....
are you an art critic for the Sun by any chance ??
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Really? It's one of my favorite exhibits at the Tate Modern. It's very witty...
But to REALLY look like an oak tree the glass would have to be about an inch taller.......
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But to REALLY look like an oak tree the glass would have to be about an inch taller.......
Having now taken the time to read through it , it doesnt seem any less plausible than "some" religions to me!

(the word some added to prevent lashes)
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In ''my view'' its Bollox....
I totally agree with you.. what a load of crap
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I would love to know how much the Tate paid for it....
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I totally agree with you.. what a load of crap
Welcome back to daytime threading...I am totally with you and the other ladies on this one...complete garbage and an insult to art.
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Welcome back to daytime threading...I am totally with you and the other ladies on this one...complete garbage and an insult to art.
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wonder what would happen if someone drank it?
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wonder what would happen if someone drank it?
They would be done for art theft!!!
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wonder what would happen if someone drank it?
its an oak tree!! how can someone drink it??

you really must stop these blonde moments BeeBee
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They would be done for art theft!!!
Well they could just re-fill the glass..
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Well they could just re-fill the glass..
They have to do that anyway - a glass of water will eventually evaporate!!
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