Nuclear Madness
Aug 4th 2015, 7:43 am
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Re: Nuclear Madness
Government under pressure to abandon plans to construct UK’s first nuclear reactor for more than 20 years
"... the former Conservative Energy Secretary Lord Howell of Guildford – who led Britain’s previous drive for nuclear energy under Margaret Thatcher – has urged the Government to reconsider the Hinkley project, which he described as “one of the worst deals ever for British households and British industry”.
He told the House of Lords that while he was personally “very pro-nuclear”, he would “shed no tears” if the “elephantine” scheme was to be abandoned “in favour of smaller and possibly cheaper nuclear plants a bit later on”.
Giving a long list of reasons for his pessimism, he said: “The component suppliers to EDF are in trouble, costs keep rising, no reactor of this kind has ever been completed successfully, those that are being built are years behind – and workers at the site have been laid off.”
Government under pressure to abandon plans to construct UK’s first nuclear reactor for more than 20 years - Home News - UK - The Independent
"... the former Conservative Energy Secretary Lord Howell of Guildford – who led Britain’s previous drive for nuclear energy under Margaret Thatcher – has urged the Government to reconsider the Hinkley project, which he described as “one of the worst deals ever for British households and British industry”.
He told the House of Lords that while he was personally “very pro-nuclear”, he would “shed no tears” if the “elephantine” scheme was to be abandoned “in favour of smaller and possibly cheaper nuclear plants a bit later on”.
Giving a long list of reasons for his pessimism, he said: “The component suppliers to EDF are in trouble, costs keep rising, no reactor of this kind has ever been completed successfully, those that are being built are years behind – and workers at the site have been laid off.”
Government under pressure to abandon plans to construct UK’s first nuclear reactor for more than 20 years - Home News - UK - The Independent
Aug 4th 2015, 8:50 am
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Re: Nuclear Madness
Government under pressure to abandon plans to construct UK’s first nuclear reactor for more than 20 years
"... the former Conservative Energy Secretary Lord Howell of Guildford – who led Britain’s previous drive for nuclear energy under Margaret Thatcher – has urged the Government to reconsider the Hinkley project, which he described as “one of the worst deals ever for British households and British industry”.
He told the House of Lords that while he was personally “very pro-nuclear”, he would “shed no tears” if the “elephantine” scheme was to be abandoned “in favour of smaller and possibly cheaper nuclear plants a bit later on”.
Giving a long list of reasons for his pessimism, he said: “The component suppliers to EDF are in trouble, costs keep rising, no reactor of this kind has ever been completed successfully, those that are being built are years behind – and workers at the site have been laid off.”
Government under pressure to abandon plans to construct UK’s first nuclear reactor for more than 20 years - Home News - UK - The Independent
"... the former Conservative Energy Secretary Lord Howell of Guildford – who led Britain’s previous drive for nuclear energy under Margaret Thatcher – has urged the Government to reconsider the Hinkley project, which he described as “one of the worst deals ever for British households and British industry”.
He told the House of Lords that while he was personally “very pro-nuclear”, he would “shed no tears” if the “elephantine” scheme was to be abandoned “in favour of smaller and possibly cheaper nuclear plants a bit later on”.
Giving a long list of reasons for his pessimism, he said: “The component suppliers to EDF are in trouble, costs keep rising, no reactor of this kind has ever been completed successfully, those that are being built are years behind – and workers at the site have been laid off.”
Government under pressure to abandon plans to construct UK’s first nuclear reactor for more than 20 years - Home News - UK - The Independent
Aug 4th 2015, 10:47 am
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Re: Nuclear Madness
It would be in everybody's back yard, and that's the issue.
Until relatively recently the USA were dumping nuclear waste in oil barrels in the Pacific, and very recently Japan and the UK fudged paperwork about disposal of nuclear waste. Japan's industry made mistakes during the design of Fukushima, and then lied--with government complicity, I have no doubt--in the aftermath. Those are just a few of the thing we know; I also have no doubt that there's a great deal which we don't know which would be even more unsettling.
Maybe the world-wide nuclear industry's learnt from those things and others, and we can sleep peacefully in our beds knowing that the companies, regulators and governments involved in a new UK plant will act honestly, diligently and with the plant's neighbours as top priority (it will have around a billion neighbours).
Added to the question marks over safety and sustainability, comes cost (as addressed in the article). I think that's what'll get it canned.
Until relatively recently the USA were dumping nuclear waste in oil barrels in the Pacific, and very recently Japan and the UK fudged paperwork about disposal of nuclear waste. Japan's industry made mistakes during the design of Fukushima, and then lied--with government complicity, I have no doubt--in the aftermath. Those are just a few of the thing we know; I also have no doubt that there's a great deal which we don't know which would be even more unsettling.
Maybe the world-wide nuclear industry's learnt from those things and others, and we can sleep peacefully in our beds knowing that the companies, regulators and governments involved in a new UK plant will act honestly, diligently and with the plant's neighbours as top priority (it will have around a billion neighbours).
Added to the question marks over safety and sustainability, comes cost (as addressed in the article). I think that's what'll get it canned.
Aug 5th 2015, 6:19 am
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Re: Nuclear Madness
It would be in everybody's back yard, and that's the issue.
Until relatively recently the USA were dumping nuclear waste in oil barrels in the Pacific, and very recently Japan and the UK fudged paperwork about disposal of nuclear waste. Japan's industry made mistakes during the design of Fukushima, and then lied--with government complicity, I have no doubt--in the aftermath. Those are just a few of the thing we know; I also have no doubt that there's a great deal which we don't know which would be even more unsettling.
Maybe the world-wide nuclear industry's learnt from those things and others, and we can sleep peacefully in our beds knowing that the companies, regulators and governments involved in a new UK plant will act honestly, diligently and with the plant's neighbours as top priority (it will have around a billion neighbours).
Added to the question marks over safety and sustainability, comes cost (as addressed in the article). I think that's what'll get it canned.
Until relatively recently the USA were dumping nuclear waste in oil barrels in the Pacific, and very recently Japan and the UK fudged paperwork about disposal of nuclear waste. Japan's industry made mistakes during the design of Fukushima, and then lied--with government complicity, I have no doubt--in the aftermath. Those are just a few of the thing we know; I also have no doubt that there's a great deal which we don't know which would be even more unsettling.
Maybe the world-wide nuclear industry's learnt from those things and others, and we can sleep peacefully in our beds knowing that the companies, regulators and governments involved in a new UK plant will act honestly, diligently and with the plant's neighbours as top priority (it will have around a billion neighbours).
Added to the question marks over safety and sustainability, comes cost (as addressed in the article). I think that's what'll get it canned.
Aug 5th 2015, 7:41 am
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Re: Nuclear Madness
this is the problem with nuclear power. On paper its a nice safe environmentally sound method. In the real world its a ****ing disaster waiting to happen. Shortcuts with coal, oil etc power stations result in fires, blackouts and other minor issues. Shortcuts with nuclear power have a potentially 250,000 year problem attached. The people taking the shortcuts of course all rely on the problem not happening on their watch but the next guys. its absolute madness
Aug 5th 2015, 7:44 am
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Aug 5th 2015, 9:28 am
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Aug 5th 2015, 12:06 pm
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Re: Nuclear Madness
Disenfranchisement of those who hold the power in that regard at the moment, for one (remember I'm talking about unintended consequences, because the first consequence in that general direction would probably be good).
Aug 5th 2015, 4:51 pm
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I just hope the problem is cracked by the west and not china (who are also spending heavily on it).
Aug 5th 2015, 6:42 pm
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Aug 5th 2015, 8:12 pm
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Sep 21st 2015, 7:52 am
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Re: Nuclear Madness
George Osborne has underlined his determination to get the government’s nuclear energy programme moving by providing a £2bn government guarantee for the delayed Hinkley Point power plant project.
The initial backing from the government would pave the way for the construction of Britain’s first new nuclear power station for a generation, Osborne said, as he redoubled his arguments for nuclear in the face of opposition from environmental groups.
Osborne made the announcement during a five-day tour of China, where he and Amber Rudd, the secretary of state for energy and climate change, have been discussing Beijing’s proposed investment in the new Hinkley Point C site in Somerset.
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Greenpeace UK’s chief scientist, Dr Doug Parr, said: “This announcement is a PR smokescreen to give the impression that this project is moving forward when it’s actually bogged down in a swamp of troubles. Hinkley hasn’t got funding or safety clearance, and everyone outside the nuclear industry and our blinkered government thinks it’s absurd, yet the Chancellor is ignoring them all to plough ahead with this overpriced, overrated, and overtime project.”
Smacks a bit of desperation and fawning by Osborne.
Nuclear plant project a step closer as Osborne makes £2bn guarantee | Business | The Guardian
The initial backing from the government would pave the way for the construction of Britain’s first new nuclear power station for a generation, Osborne said, as he redoubled his arguments for nuclear in the face of opposition from environmental groups.
Osborne made the announcement during a five-day tour of China, where he and Amber Rudd, the secretary of state for energy and climate change, have been discussing Beijing’s proposed investment in the new Hinkley Point C site in Somerset.
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Greenpeace UK’s chief scientist, Dr Doug Parr, said: “This announcement is a PR smokescreen to give the impression that this project is moving forward when it’s actually bogged down in a swamp of troubles. Hinkley hasn’t got funding or safety clearance, and everyone outside the nuclear industry and our blinkered government thinks it’s absurd, yet the Chancellor is ignoring them all to plough ahead with this overpriced, overrated, and overtime project.”
Smacks a bit of desperation and fawning by Osborne.
Nuclear plant project a step closer as Osborne makes £2bn guarantee | Business | The Guardian
Sep 21st 2015, 8:07 am
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Re: Nuclear Madness
George Osborne has underlined his determination to get the government’s nuclear energy programme moving by providing a £2bn government guarantee for the delayed Hinkley Point power plant project.
The initial backing from the government would pave the way for the construction of Britain’s first new nuclear power station for a generation, Osborne said, as he redoubled his arguments for nuclear in the face of opposition from environmental groups.
Osborne made the announcement during a five-day tour of China, where he and Amber Rudd, the secretary of state for energy and climate change, have been discussing Beijing’s proposed investment in the new Hinkley Point C site in Somerset.
...
Greenpeace UK’s chief scientist, Dr Doug Parr, said: “This announcement is a PR smokescreen to give the impression that this project is moving forward when it’s actually bogged down in a swamp of troubles. Hinkley hasn’t got funding or safety clearance, and everyone outside the nuclear industry and our blinkered government thinks it’s absurd, yet the Chancellor is ignoring them all to plough ahead with this overpriced, overrated, and overtime project.”
Smacks a bit of desperation and fawning by Osborne.
Nuclear plant project a step closer as Osborne makes £2bn guarantee | Business | The Guardian
The initial backing from the government would pave the way for the construction of Britain’s first new nuclear power station for a generation, Osborne said, as he redoubled his arguments for nuclear in the face of opposition from environmental groups.
Osborne made the announcement during a five-day tour of China, where he and Amber Rudd, the secretary of state for energy and climate change, have been discussing Beijing’s proposed investment in the new Hinkley Point C site in Somerset.
...
Greenpeace UK’s chief scientist, Dr Doug Parr, said: “This announcement is a PR smokescreen to give the impression that this project is moving forward when it’s actually bogged down in a swamp of troubles. Hinkley hasn’t got funding or safety clearance, and everyone outside the nuclear industry and our blinkered government thinks it’s absurd, yet the Chancellor is ignoring them all to plough ahead with this overpriced, overrated, and overtime project.”
Smacks a bit of desperation and fawning by Osborne.
Nuclear plant project a step closer as Osborne makes £2bn guarantee | Business | The Guardian
Actually government guarantees are pretty standard on these kind of private sector projects. It happens all over the world - including in the UK. I was actually surprised it is only 2bn... seems far too low to me.
The underground PPPs were the first project pretty much anywhere in the world where the debt was not fully guaranteed by the government... and even then it was only 5% uncovered.