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Old Feb 2nd 2009, 8:59 am
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Originally Posted by Eva
Insecurity? Delusion ? Voodoo?
lol all of the above
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Old Feb 2nd 2009, 9:05 am
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Originally Posted by MataHari
i just have a problem when people think because it's something religious, they have a little more right to their views than others...
Because you're not pushing your atheism?
 
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Originally Posted by W10
Because you're not pushing your atheism?
exactly...
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Old Feb 2nd 2009, 10:49 am
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I would find it annoying if a nurse asked me if she could pray with me and probably bring it up with their superiors if they were pushy otherwise I would simply tell them to keep their primitive beliefs to themselves since if prayer works why doesn't god heal amputees? Suspending someone sounds a bit extreme unless they are pushy.

The fact is that staff members are not there to pray with patients, they are there to provide objective medical care and support. If people want to delude themselves with the supernatural that's there business, and has nothing to do with the staff...so I think the staff member in question deserves a verbal warning and a reminder of what a Hippocratic Oath is...and how it doesn't include invoking the supernatural in order to heal people.

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Old Feb 2nd 2009, 10:56 am
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Originally Posted by Norm_uk
I would find it annoying if a nurse asked me if she could pray with me and probably bring it up with their superiors if they were pushy otherwise I would simply tell them to keep their primitive beliefs to themselves since if prayer works why doesn't god heal amputees? Suspending someone sounds a bit extreme unless they are pushy.

The fact is that staff members are not there to pray with patients, they are there to provide objective medical care and support. If people want to delude themselves with the supernatural that's there business, and has nothing to do with the staff...so I think the staff member in question deserves a verbal warning and a reminder of what a Hippocratic Oath is...and how it doesn't include invoking the supernatural in order to heal people.

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christ, she was being nice and offering a prayer for her, if she did that to me I'd be polite and say either yes or no and that would be it.
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Old Feb 2nd 2009, 10:58 am
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I would find it annoying if a nurse asked me if she could pray with me
So your saying you don't want her to pray WITH YOU, you prefer to pray alone?

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Originally Posted by Spugsy
christ, she was being nice and offering a prayer for her, if she did that to me I'd be polite and say either yes or no and that would be it.
same here, I can't see what the fuss is about.
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Old Feb 2nd 2009, 11:00 am
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I'd prey on a nurse if she was cute enough.

Oh...sorry...
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Old Feb 2nd 2009, 11:01 am
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Originally Posted by Norm_uk
I would find it annoying if a nurse asked me if she could pray with me and probably bring it up with their superiors if they were pushy otherwise I would simply tell them to keep their primitive beliefs to themselves since if prayer works why doesn't god heal amputees? Suspending someone sounds a bit extreme unless they are pushy.

The fact is that staff members are not there to pray with patients, they are there to provide objective medical care and support. If people want to delude themselves with the supernatural that's there business, and has nothing to do with the staff...so I think the staff member in question deserves a verbal warning and a reminder of what a Hippocratic Oath is...and how it doesn't include invoking the supernatural in order to heal people.

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ummm

"I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot
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Originally Posted by shiva
ummm

"I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot
Do you think the modern Oath includes the names of the ancient Greek gods or are you being sarcastic?
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Originally Posted by Norm_uk
Do you think the modern Oath includes the names of the ancient Greek gods or are you being sarcastic?

that is the hipocratic oath, there are modern oaths but they are NOT the hipocratic oath. graduates of several older schools of medicine still use the original oath. most now use a version of the decleration of geneva

"The Declaration of Geneva, as currently amended, reads[2]:

At the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:
I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude that is their due;
I will practise my profession with conscience and dignity;
The health of my patient will be my first consideration;
I will respect the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession;
My colleagues will be my sisters and brothers;
I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;
I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour. "
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Old Feb 2nd 2009, 1:49 pm
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Nothing in there about not praying.

I honestly can't believe some of the responses on here.

If someone offers to pray for you, it means they are thinking about your welfare enough to hope that someone will ensure you are safe.

What on earth is offensive about that concept?
 
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Originally Posted by W10
If someone offers to pray for you, it means they are thinking about your welfare enough to hope that someone will ensure you are safe.

What on earth is offensive about that concept?
Some folk would prefer that people used their time for something more productive rather than worrying about them. Time can be better spent IMO.

I don't think it's offensive though, but ill advised perhaps as, allegedly, studies show that prayer has a negative effect on recovering time on patients after surgery if they are told they are being prayed for (and no effect if they are not told and just prayed for).

I can see how it could potentially be offensive to some who might not want to have a Catholic/Christian pray for them. Shouldn't have been suspended though as a polite request would have sufficed.
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Old Feb 2nd 2009, 2:18 pm
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Some folk would prefer that people used their time for something more productive rather than worrying about them. Time can be better spent IMO.
But the person would be praying anyway no? And anyway, regardless of what you believe. You can just say no.

Why are athiests so tetchy about religion? If they don't believe, why does it bother them so much.
 
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Originally Posted by W10
Why are athiests so tetchy about religion?
Would you like a list?

Usually we'd just prefer no to be seen as offering support to organisations that many feel have a negative impact on society. Like escaped slaves might be careful where they buy carpet or chocolate from .

Did I miss the bit in the news story where the old lady said she was an atheist though?
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