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Old Mar 27th 2014, 6:51 am
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Originally Posted by Eeyore View Post
Baby signing is great. We did it with our kids, after learning about it from friends of ours years before we started our own family. It's almost like magic when you see it in action, and it can significantly cut down on crying, because the baby is able to communicate very specific needs rather than just cry and leave the parent to try and work out what the problem is.

It's actually dead easy. All you need to do is make the signs yourself as you talk to the baby. "Look, there's a big red car" - and as you say "car" you make the car sign, which is like hands wiggling a steering wheel. Or "It's time for some food", and as you say "food" you make the food sign, which is a bit like putting a sandwich up to your mouth.

You have to train yourself to make the signs every time you talk to the baby, and you have to be prepared to be doing it for up to three months before you start seeing the baby make the signs back to you - but once you do, it's as exciting as hearing the first word, and it means that you can actually have meaningful two-way communication with your child long before they can talk.
You've literally just said exactly what she said.

I've still got the same level of 'disbelief'...I believe you but it's just very impressive. The Dad said it was a life saver at the ungodly hours to walk in, hear screaming, see tears and get an instant answer to what the **** they wanted.
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Why would a baby need to sign a 'car' though? So they want to go for a drive? That's very advanced..
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Originally Posted by Eeyore View Post
Baby signing is great. We did it with our kids, after learning about it from friends of ours years before we started our own family. It's almost like magic when you see it in action, and it can significantly cut down on crying, because the baby is able to communicate very specific needs rather than just cry and leave the parent to try and work out what the problem is.

It's actually dead easy. All you need to do is make the signs yourself as you talk to the baby. "Look, there's a big red car" - and as you say "car" you make the car sign, which is like hands wiggling a steering wheel. Or "It's time for some food", and as you say "food" you make the food sign, which is a bit like putting a sandwich up to your mouth.

You have to train yourself to make the signs every time you talk to the baby, and you have to be prepared to be doing it for up to three months before you start seeing the baby make the signs back to you - but once you do, it's as exciting as hearing the first word, and it means that you can actually have meaningful two-way communication with your child long before they can talk.
First I've heard of this...the food bit makes sense, what other uses does it have though?
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Why would a baby need to sign a 'car' though? So they want to go for a drive?
Baby signing isn't just about addressing the child's immediate needs, it's about communication in general. After our daughter picked up the sign for "car", she'd point and do it when she saw cars. Or we'd point to our car and ask her "What's this?" and she'd make the sign. It's exciting knowing that the baby is actively thinking about the world it lives in and is developing the concept that different things in that world have specific names.

Babies also learn to put signs together to make what are effectively sentences, which is remarkable when you first see them do it - and again, something they won't be able to do verbally for some considerable time.

We didn't take signing anywhere near as far as you can. Babies have the capacity to learn literally hundreds of signs for all sorts of things.

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First I've heard of this...
It's remarkable that for something that's been around for decades, many people still haven't heard of it. Then again, we'd never heard of it until we saw it in action with our friends' daughter about 10 years ago, but we were immediately sold.

what other uses does it have though?
You might as well ask what uses talking has

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You might as well ask what uses talking has
Well, language is linguistically includes visual and auditorial inputs. The visual component covers body language and sign language. Ie. Sign language for humans and apes, the looks dogs give you, or even cross culture such as the gaggle of girls at the corner shop thinking they are being clever speaking in their home language to avoid you knowing they are talking about you, yet their body language is discussing you as BF material, particularly when you are slowly and deliberately appraised as eyes go down and up you, checking out the brands you're wearing.
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Well, language is linguistically includes visual and auditorial inputs. The visual component covers body language and sign language. Ie. Sign language for humans and apes, the looks dogs give you, or even cross culture such as the gaggle of girls at the corner shop thinking they are being clever speaking in their home language to avoid you knowing they are talking about you, yet their body language is discussing you as BF material, particularly when you are slowly and deliberately appraised as eyes go down and up you, checking out the brands you're wearing.
Except if you're wearing chinos.
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You might as well ask what uses talking has

Frequently none whatsoever.



BTW not having a go at Eeyore here, but some people talk nothing but nonsense.

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Except if you're wearing chinos.
I remember them, back in the 80's. They making a comeback or something in your wardrobe?
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Originally Posted by Eeyore View Post
Baby signing isn't just about addressing the child's immediate needs, it's about communication in general. After our daughter picked up the sign for "car", she'd point and do it when she saw cars. Or we'd point to our car and ask her "What's this?" and she'd make the sign. It's exciting knowing that the baby is actively thinking about the world it lives in and is developing the concept that different things in that world have specific names.

Babies also learn to put signs together to make what are effectively sentences, which is remarkable when you first see them do it - and again, something they won't be able to do verbally for some considerable time.

We didn't take signing anywhere near as far as you can. Babies have the capacity to learn literally hundreds of signs for all sorts of things.


It's remarkable that for something that's been around for decades, many people still haven't heard of it. Then again, we'd never heard of it until we saw it in action with our friends' daughter about 10 years ago, but we were immediately sold.


You might as well ask what uses talking has

Interesting, thanks...even more reading for me to do!

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I remember them, back in the 80's. They making a comeback or something in your wardrobe?
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My son has spent most of his life at British Schools in Dubai and I've never once heard of children who can't speak English. Of course we are all foreigners who can only stay if we work so it's not comparable to the UK system of giving out passports and making a mockery of indigenous British culture and the people who wish to adopt it (multiculturalism chains people to their ethnic roots and doesn't want them assimilating).

The UK is committing cultural suicide - a jingoistic statement I know but there's no easier way to say it.

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It's largely areas of "indigenous British culture" where schools perform worst, not areas full of immigrants with freebie passports leeching on the system.
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It's largely areas of "indigenous British culture" where schools perform worst, not areas full of immigrants with freebie passports leeching on the system.
Stats?
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Stats?
http://www.bbc.com/news/education-22970674

Can't understand it, indigenous British culture has survived most unpolluted in these areas of traditional indigenous British fish and chip shops.

Which of course were invented by immigrant Jews.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/education-22970674

Can't understand it, indigenous British culture has survived most unpolluted in these areas of traditional indigenous British fish and chip shops.

Which of course were invented by immigrant Jews.
The Birmingham school at the centre of an alleged campaign of “Islamisation” by Muslim radicals is to be placed in “special measures” by the Government’s education watchdog in a move that could see its head teacher and governors removed.

Park View, previously rated “outstanding” by Ofsted, will be downgraded to “inadequate”, the lowest possible score, in the category of leadership and management, senior education sources said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...-radicals.html

It will be embarrassing for the inspectorate and the Prime Minister, David Cameron, who previously hailed Park View as an example of educational excellence.
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I'm not sure that generalising from one or two schools is wise, if you really insist then I'm not sure you'll like the results, but it's "indigenous" (ish)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_...e_Congregation
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