scot47

What will you do with the leftovers of the Great British Empire ? Ascension. St Helena. The Cayman Islands. ??

scrubbedexpat141

European colonial rule and empires stopped being cool in the 40's and 50's.

I'd be sad to see Scotland leave the UK.

TheShed

I'd be sad to see them go as well, but as long as they keep voting for the poison dwarf, its going to happen one way or another

scrubbedexpat141

I think it's the Brexit vote that's sealed that fate.

The independence referendum is a once-a-generation type of vote I think. But voting to leave the EU means that those younger voters who were more likely to vote to for independence were also more likely to vote Remain. We, as a nation, literally loaded the gun for them and now just wait for them to fire.

TheShed

Thats a very good point. One that also highlights the lack of information the independents have (like Brexiteers). I have Scottish friends who honestly believe that they can just walk back into EU after independence.

jam25mack

Nah, SNP following is falling not increasing. There are several opinion polls to back this up. The SNP point to membership figures increasing but that's just smoke and mirrors as several SNATs have been signing up random family members and theirs dogs making it the claimed figures utterly false. This is further backed up by the dwindling numbers attending their marches which is poles apart from the fantasist numbers claimed by the SNP. They had a screening of Braveheart in Gearge Sq, Glasgow a month or so ago and the attendance figures struggled to hit triple digits. On the flip side though the pro union supporters have now started to actually show their support and their numbers for their public turnouts are steadily increasing.

Many Scots may be not agree on Brexit but they're also not blind to the fact that Nicola is a complete fxxkwit and an Independent Scotland would be a disaster.You think putting a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would be tricky, how about you try putting one between England and Scotland.

scrubbedexpat141

True.

Interesting, are people leaving SNP for other similar parties? I imagine a true pro-indy person leaving SNP won't suddenly be anti-indy.

DXBtoDOH

I admire Scotland very much. Beautiful place with a strong cultural identity. I'm jealous they're allowed and even encouraged to be patriotic in a way the English are not.

BritInParis

Even with the relatively unpopularity of Brexit in Scotland the polling numbers for a second independence referendum are nowhere close to what they would need to be to justify another go. Scotland would need to apply separately for EU membership for which they wouldn’t necessarily qualify so that argument falls flat and a socialist idyll largely dependent on the price of oil hasn’t worked out too well for Venezuela.

As for Mrs May there’s just too many who want the job to dislodge her now. If the MPs could back a single replacement candidate then the process could be done and dusted in two weeks. As it stands there simply isn’t enough time to have a leadership contest between now and Brexit Day for her replacement to have any kind of meaningful impact on the negotiations. Better to keep her propped up with some kind of fudge until after 29 March and have the leadership contest then.

jam25mack

Not sure. I think its more that people are getting more and more fed up with the fact that the SNP have done nothing to actually govern Scotland since the last referendum, they've been to busy banging the Independence drum while the issues continue to mount up / get worse. You only need to look at Sturgeon's own constituency to see what little has been done. It's an absolute dump and what she promised she would do she hasn't. I doubt she'd even walk the streets there anymore for fear of getting abused. Last week she spoke on TV and mentioned education once and independence something like 30 times. What I hear is that people are getting bored with it, hence why the 'no' voters are increasing in their visibility. There might not be a huge influx of new 'no' voters, i.e. folk who have changed their minds / or decided to vote this time if the chance comes up, more rather people who kept quiet but are now standing up to the SNP. As such, I doubt the figures would be too much different if the vote was repeated, but if anything I think it would be more of a 'no' than a 'yes'. There's only a relatively small amount of properly dyed in the wool, Braveheart believing bigots, but there were a lot of Scots who liked the romantic idea of an independent Scotland. I think its those on the periphery who may now have swung the other way and I think this is what is commonly seen after a tight independence referendum, if I remember rightly.

scrubbedexpat141

Interesting, thanks for sharing. My Dad was always heart Yes, head No. He said he'd have voted no to independence if he'd had to. I think lots of people get swept up in popular protest and emotion / pride / belief but when it comes down to it, they are capable of stopping and thinking.

Like in America, one of the biggest turnaround voting groups was white, middle class women. All polling results said they'd vote Hilary. When in secret, they're total closet racists and voted Trump because they hate the Mexicans (etc) but couldn't possibly admit it in person. Classic.

scrubbedexpat141

This is a really good read; The Truth About Brexit

It'll take a few minutes but very interesting and a good reminder about the no-deal option.

Millhouse

I think I'll have to go the UK on March 29th just to see what happens.

littlejimmy

Careful. You might not be able to get out again...

DXBtoDOH

I wish I had a handy YouTube link of the apocalypse. I think the last sci-fi one I saw was Independence Day.