No deal Brexit
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Re: No deal Brexit
What will you do with the leftovers of the Great British Empire ? Ascension. St Helena. The Cayman Islands. ??
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Re: No deal Brexit
The independence referendum is a once-a-generation type of vote I think. But voting to leave the EU means that those younger voters who were more likely to vote to for independence were also more likely to vote Remain. We, as a nation, literally loaded the gun for them and now just wait for them to fire.
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I think it's the Brexit vote that's sealed that fate.
The independence referendum is a once-a-generation type of vote I think. But voting to leave the EU means that those younger voters who were more likely to vote to for independence were also more likely to vote Remain. We, as a nation, literally loaded the gun for them and now just wait for them to fire.
The independence referendum is a once-a-generation type of vote I think. But voting to leave the EU means that those younger voters who were more likely to vote to for independence were also more likely to vote Remain. We, as a nation, literally loaded the gun for them and now just wait for them to fire.
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Re: No deal Brexit
Nah, SNP following is falling not increasing. There are several opinion polls to back this up. The SNP point to membership figures increasing but that's just smoke and mirrors as several SNATs have been signing up random family members and theirs dogs making it the claimed figures utterly false. This is further backed up by the dwindling numbers attending their marches which is poles apart from the fantasist numbers claimed by the SNP. They had a screening of Braveheart in Gearge Sq, Glasgow a month or so ago and the attendance figures struggled to hit triple digits. On the flip side though the pro union supporters have now started to actually show their support and their numbers for their public turnouts are steadily increasing.
Many Scots may be not agree on Brexit but they're also not blind to the fact that Nicola is a complete fxxkwit and an Independent Scotland would be a disaster.You think putting a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would be tricky, how about you try putting one between England and Scotland.
Many Scots may be not agree on Brexit but they're also not blind to the fact that Nicola is a complete fxxkwit and an Independent Scotland would be a disaster.You think putting a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would be tricky, how about you try putting one between England and Scotland.
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Re: No deal Brexit
Nah, SNP following is falling not increasing. There are several opinion polls to back this up. The SNP point to membership figures increasing but that's just smoke and mirrors as several SNATs have been signing up random family members and theirs dogs making it the claimed figures utterly false. This is further backed up by the dwindling numbers attending their marches which is poles apart from the fantasist numbers claimed by the SNP. They had a screening of Braveheart in Gearge Sq, Glasgow a month or so ago and the attendance figures struggled to hit triple digits. On the flip side though the pro union supporters have now started to actually show their support and their numbers for their public turnouts are steadily increasing.
Many Scots may be not agree on Brexit but they're also not blind to the fact that Nicola is a complete fxxkwit and an Independent Scotland would be a disaster.You think putting a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would be tricky, how about you try putting one between England and Scotland.
Many Scots may be not agree on Brexit but they're also not blind to the fact that Nicola is a complete fxxkwit and an Independent Scotland would be a disaster.You think putting a border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would be tricky, how about you try putting one between England and Scotland.
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Re: No deal Brexit
I admire Scotland very much. Beautiful place with a strong cultural identity. I'm jealous they're allowed and even encouraged to be patriotic in a way the English are not.
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Re: No deal Brexit
Even with the relatively unpopularity of Brexit in Scotland the polling numbers for a second independence referendum are nowhere close to what they would need to be to justify another go. Scotland would need to apply separately for EU membership for which they wouldn’t necessarily qualify so that argument falls flat and a socialist idyll largely dependent on the price of oil hasn’t worked out too well for Venezuela.
As for Mrs May there’s just too many who want the job to dislodge her now. If the MPs could back a single replacement candidate then the process could be done and dusted in two weeks. As it stands there simply isn’t enough time to have a leadership contest between now and Brexit Day for her replacement to have any kind of meaningful impact on the negotiations. Better to keep her propped up with some kind of fudge until after 29 March and have the leadership contest then.
As for Mrs May there’s just too many who want the job to dislodge her now. If the MPs could back a single replacement candidate then the process could be done and dusted in two weeks. As it stands there simply isn’t enough time to have a leadership contest between now and Brexit Day for her replacement to have any kind of meaningful impact on the negotiations. Better to keep her propped up with some kind of fudge until after 29 March and have the leadership contest then.
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Not sure. I think its more that people are getting more and more fed up with the fact that the SNP have done nothing to actually govern Scotland since the last referendum, they've been to busy banging the Independence drum while the issues continue to mount up / get worse. You only need to look at Sturgeon's own constituency to see what little has been done. It's an absolute dump and what she promised she would do she hasn't. I doubt she'd even walk the streets there anymore for fear of getting abused. Last week she spoke on TV and mentioned education once and independence something like 30 times. What I hear is that people are getting bored with it, hence why the 'no' voters are increasing in their visibility. There might not be a huge influx of new 'no' voters, i.e. folk who have changed their minds / or decided to vote this time if the chance comes up, more rather people who kept quiet but are now standing up to the SNP. As such, I doubt the figures would be too much different if the vote was repeated, but if anything I think it would be more of a 'no' than a 'yes'. There's only a relatively small amount of properly dyed in the wool, Braveheart believing bigots, but there were a lot of Scots who liked the romantic idea of an independent Scotland. I think its those on the periphery who may now have swung the other way and I think this is what is commonly seen after a tight independence referendum, if I remember rightly.
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Not sure. I think its more that people are getting more and more fed up with the fact that the SNP have done nothing to actually govern Scotland since the last referendum, they've been to busy banging the Independence drum while the issues continue to mount up / get worse. You only need to look at Sturgeon's own constituency to see what little has been done. It's an absolute dump and what she promised she would do she hasn't. I doubt she'd even walk the streets there anymore for fear of getting abused. Last week she spoke on TV and mentioned education once and independence something like 30 times. What I hear is that people are getting bored with it, hence why the 'no' voters are increasing in their visibility. There might not be a huge influx of new 'no' voters, i.e. folk who have changed their minds / or decided to vote this time if the chance comes up, more rather people who kept quiet but are now standing up to the SNP. As such, I doubt the figures would be too much different if the vote was repeated, but if anything I think it would be more of a 'no' than a 'yes'. There's only a relatively small amount of properly dyed in the wool, Braveheart believing bigots, but there were a lot of Scots who liked the romantic idea of an independent Scotland. I think its those on the periphery who may now have swung the other way and I think this is what is commonly seen after a tight independence referendum, if I remember rightly.
Like in America, one of the biggest turnaround voting groups was white, middle class women. All polling results said they'd vote Hilary. When in secret, they're total closet racists and voted Trump because they hate the Mexicans (etc) but couldn't possibly admit it in person. Classic.
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Re: No deal Brexit
This is a really good read; The Truth About Brexit
It'll take a few minutes but very interesting and a good reminder about the no-deal option.
It'll take a few minutes but very interesting and a good reminder about the no-deal option.
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This is a really good read; The Truth About Brexit
It'll take a few minutes but very interesting and a good reminder about the no-deal option.
It'll take a few minutes but very interesting and a good reminder about the no-deal option.