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Old Aug 11th 2010, 12:05 am
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I am watching BBC NI a lot right now and the change in dissident activity this summer is marked.

>There have been three under-car bomb attacks on police workers this week alone and major detonations over the last few months.
>The riots this July's marching season were the worst for years and only avoided major bloodshed because the PSNI adopted a 'stand back and video' tactic that is still yielding arrests.
>Cross border weapons smuggling has escalated with major arrests in the South in the last couple of weeks
>Security alerts on the Belfast / Dublin Train line have reappeared.
>Punishment and 'republicans against drugs' shootings seem to be increasing, including well away from the border in Cork
>Dublin crime is increasingly well armed (drug dealers with RPGs)

My list is anecdotal from keeping an eye/ear out, but the BBC monitor seems to reflect this too.

I know that they never went away and that Phony Tony's words were just that, but it seems we are accelerating towards a resumption of a major campaign of violence. I'm also interested to see if this is making its way into the national and international Brit/UK/Euro awareness. Does it take a major attack in England for people to pay attention?
I just have a really bad feeling about this whole thing.

And Ramadan Kareem :-)

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Originally Posted by Cry haddock View Post
I am watching BBC NI a lot right now and the change in dissident activity this summer is marked.

>There have been three under-car bomb attacks on police workers this week alone and major detonations over the last few months.
>The riots this July's marching season were the worst for years and only avoided major bloodshed because the PSNI adopted a 'stand back and video' tactic that is still yielding arrests.
>Cross border weapons smuggling has escalated with major arrests in the South in the last couple of weeks
>Security alerts on the Belfast / Dublin Train line have reappeared.
>Punishment and 'republicans against drugs' shootings seem to be increasing, including well away from the border in Cork
>Dublin crime is increasingly well armed (drug dealers with RPGs)

My list is anecdotal from keeping an eye/ear out, but the BBC monitor seems to reflect this too.

I know that they never went away and that Phony Tony's words were just that, but it seems we are accelerating towards a resumption of a major campaign of violence. I'm also interested to see if this is making its way into the national and international Brit/UK/Euro awareness. Does it take a major attack in England for people to pay attention?
I just have a really bad feeling about this whole thing.

And Ramadan Kareem :-)

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mate - from what seems to happening - I unfortunately think you're right on this one.... not good....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10975548
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mate - from what seems to happening - I unfortunately think you're right on this one.... not good....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10975548

I personally have never had a problem with knee capping drug dealers...
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I personally have never had a problem with knee capping drug dealers...
Not sure what relevance your comment has to the article or the general slide towards sectarian violence that CryHaddock described?

"Three children have been injured in an explosion in Lurgan, County Armagh.

A no-warning bomb went off in a bin at North Street in the town as police investigated reports that a device had been left at the Model Primary school."

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I am watching BBC NI a lot right now and the change in dissident activity this summer is marked.

>There have been three under-car bomb attacks on police workers this week alone and major detonations over the last few months.
>The riots this July's marching season were the worst for years and only avoided major bloodshed because the PSNI adopted a 'stand back and video' tactic that is still yielding arrests.
>Cross border weapons smuggling has escalated with major arrests in the South in the last couple of weeks
>Security alerts on the Belfast / Dublin Train line have reappeared.
>Punishment and 'republicans against drugs' shootings seem to be increasing, including well away from the border in Cork
>Dublin crime is increasingly well armed (drug dealers with RPGs)

My list is anecdotal from keeping an eye/ear out, but the BBC monitor seems to reflect this too.

I know that they never went away and that Phony Tony's words were just that, but it seems we are accelerating towards a resumption of a major campaign of violence. I'm also interested to see if this is making its way into the national and international Brit/UK/Euro awareness. Does it take a major attack in England for people to pay attention?
I just have a really bad feeling about this whole thing.

And Ramadan Kareem :-)

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this part..

the general slide toward sectarian violence that is referred to has been there the whole time and always will be...the opposing factions have always hated each others guts...and there is no excuse for it...innocent civilians are always caught in the middle..

So what do you suggest Autonomy?
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this part..

the general slide toward sectarian violence that is referred to has been there the whole time and always will be...the opposing factions have always hated each others guts...and there is no excuse for it...innocent civilians are always caught in the middle..

So what do you suggest Autonomy?
ah - ok - gottcha....

To be honest I wish I had an answer, but I don't pretend to know nearly enough to comment....
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ah - ok - gottcha....

To be honest I wish I had an answer, but I don't pretend to know nearly enough to comment....
I'm sorry to say this...

I'm quite familiar with NI and all its troubles...and my Irish dad years ago spent some time giving me his perspective...its a huge can of worms and goes way back before the "Irish Question" itself...

I would even suggest that NI Expats on the site wouldnt even want to get into a discussion about it..and I dont blame them...it just stirs up bad blood and old feelings..

best to just put our faith in the moderates and hope that cooler heads will prevail..

The goal of most if not all of these terrorists planting bombs etc, is to upset the delicate peace that has been in place..and it is very delicate...
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The goal of most if not all of these terrorists planting bombs etc, is to upset the delicate peace that has been in place..and it is very delicate...
to what end? that's always been my personal headache over this... almost seems to me that the means is the reason rather than some end goal which will not be realised or, indeed, even defined....
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to what end? that's always been my personal headache over this... almost seems to me that the means is the reason rather than some end goal which will not be realised or, indeed, even defined....

Well...if its the Proddy terrorists...they want the catholics out and like being part of the UK.

If its the catholic terrorists...they want all the proddys and brits out...

Or at least that has usually been their stated aim..

In reality...I dont think it has ever been about religion...its about hate and continuing their criminal enterprises...money laundering, racketeering, general thievery, intimidation, gun running, drug running, you name it.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/


Here is a short BBC summary of the past 800+ years of Irish history.

Under 'Legacy' some of the victims of both sides of the violence give a brief, but sobering, verbal account of their experiences.

I am not at all sure what is in store for Northern Ireland, given the fact that the Troubles most likely will have planted the seeds for new groups of
combatants, in spite of many older victims understandably being totally sickened and traumatised by the whole experience.
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I thnk Al kayda yet are behind this new surge. Last I heard, Guy Fawkes had a link to them too.
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Just like the old days, nothing really changes .
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