Naughty Granny!
Mar 10th 2009, 8:32 pm
#16
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Re: Naughty Granny!
I wouldnt go as strong as to call them stupid, are they as stupid as the rednecks in the U.S or Orthdox racist Jews or Islamic brainwashed kids?
Just the way it is, they dont know any better and have ben brought up that way and so live the only way they know how.
Perhaps they would call us stupid, and they may have a decent point too....
but yes you are quite right, you have the right to call them whatever you want (as long as you arent in Saudi!)
Just the way it is, they dont know any better and have ben brought up that way and so live the only way they know how.
Perhaps they would call us stupid, and they may have a decent point too....
but yes you are quite right, you have the right to call them whatever you want (as long as you arent in Saudi!)
Mar 11th 2009, 5:30 am
#17
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Re: Naughty Granny!
How did they even caught her in "action"? The guys were bringing her bread and that's it I mean do they have secret police now tracking old women?
Mar 11th 2009, 5:45 am
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Re: Naughty Granny!
To be honest Lionheart, this can be an example only of Saudi law being stupid - since Islam or the Shariah framework doesn't make this a criminal offence. More specifically, as I have no idea what the Saudi statute says or doesn't say on the matter, it might be a case of a corrupt/incompetent/malevolent application of Saudi Law, and the Law/Act itself might be relatively anodyne.
We come across numerous daft or bad applications of the laws back in the UK; does every rapist who gets free in a year, or killer who gets community service, or home owner who gets five years for defending his own home become an example of how stupid English Common Law is? No - it becomes an example of how those currently in charge of enforcing the law have gone stark raving bonkers. The English Common Law has evolved over centuries, and has volumes of case law and precedents to guide those applying it today; however, if those chosing to apply it ignore the basic precepts of Common Law (and for that matter, of natural justice), then the framework should not be blamed.
Similarly, but to an even greater extent, there is no such thing as 'Shariah Law'; no body of casework or precedent that a court must adhere too. Simply a broad framework that's evolved over centuries; in most case, the actual laws governing 'Shariah states' were written up by people (eg the Saudis, the Iranian mullahs, the Taleban) with certain socio-political objectives; those objectives might malevolent or might be innocous, but the Shariah legal framework is hardly the cause of either. In a certain country we all know and love, 'Shariah' is used for the ridiculous prupose of stopping wopping from driving; of course, there is no "Islamic" justification for that, or even jurisprudence addressing this matter. For anyone to argue that this archaic ban is Islamic or Shariah driven is as reasonable as 'a female tinpot dictator' in Ruritania claiming that her new law that bans all men from driving is based on the Shariah!
We come across numerous daft or bad applications of the laws back in the UK; does every rapist who gets free in a year, or killer who gets community service, or home owner who gets five years for defending his own home become an example of how stupid English Common Law is? No - it becomes an example of how those currently in charge of enforcing the law have gone stark raving bonkers. The English Common Law has evolved over centuries, and has volumes of case law and precedents to guide those applying it today; however, if those chosing to apply it ignore the basic precepts of Common Law (and for that matter, of natural justice), then the framework should not be blamed.
Similarly, but to an even greater extent, there is no such thing as 'Shariah Law'; no body of casework or precedent that a court must adhere too. Simply a broad framework that's evolved over centuries; in most case, the actual laws governing 'Shariah states' were written up by people (eg the Saudis, the Iranian mullahs, the Taleban) with certain socio-political objectives; those objectives might malevolent or might be innocous, but the Shariah legal framework is hardly the cause of either. In a certain country we all know and love, 'Shariah' is used for the ridiculous prupose of stopping wopping from driving; of course, there is no "Islamic" justification for that, or even jurisprudence addressing this matter. For anyone to argue that this archaic ban is Islamic or Shariah driven is as reasonable as 'a female tinpot dictator' in Ruritania claiming that her new law that bans all men from driving is based on the Shariah!
Mar 11th 2009, 5:51 am
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