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kittycat1 Jun 6th 2011 3:06 am

Monogamy
 
Ok, there are loads of unwritten caveats, but assuming that we're talking about one man taking up one wife- forever, faithfully, he's got enough money and love, and it were to happen in a society that accepts it, would you or wouldn't you enter into a monogamous marriage?

I think I can predict the outcome for the fairer sex, but not sure about you blokes.

Hello.Kitty Jun 6th 2011 3:14 am

Re: Monogamy
 
lol @ the votes so far!

Chris_m Jun 6th 2011 4:17 am

Re: Monogamy
 
Marriage is not a thing to be messed about with. If i get to that point again where i meet someone that i say i will marry then i will again be wholeheartedly faithful. but it will be interesting to see how this poll and the other 1 goes!!!!!

Norm_uk Jun 6th 2011 6:08 am

Re: Monogamy
 
Polygamy is actually the natural state of things and legal or not the most common form of relationship there is across cultures....

...agree or not that's how it is. If everyman were happily married there'd be a lot of miserable single women out there.

That said the inheritance issues alone would keep me busy until I'm 60 hehe.

N.

Spugsy Jun 6th 2011 6:41 am

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by kittycat1 (Post 9413674)
Ok, there are loads of unwritten caveats, but assuming that we're talking about one man taking up one wife- forever, faithfully, he's got enough money and love, and it were to happen in a society that accepts it, would you or wouldn't you enter into a monogamous marriage?

I think I can predict the outcome for the fairer sex, but not sure about you blokes.

Once you've got all your wild days out the way, all your shagging, and you find the right girl - aye, piece of piss.

Chris_m Jun 6th 2011 6:59 am

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by Spugsy (Post 9414225)
Once you've got all your wild days out the way, all your shagging, and you find the right girl - aye, piece of piss.

Where's the like button :)

MacScot Jun 6th 2011 8:31 am

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I prefer teak over monogamy any :)day.

weasel central Jun 6th 2011 10:04 am

Re: Monogamy
 
Not possible in my opinion and anyone who says yes is either fooling themselves our over estimating their own future faithfulness to some degree :blink:

scrubbedexpat141 Jun 6th 2011 4:16 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by weasel central (Post 9414670)
Not possible in my opinion and anyone who says yes is either fooling themselves our over estimating their own future faithfulness to some degree :blink:

Lionheart the Second strikes again.

MataHari Jun 6th 2011 4:19 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 9415297)
Lionheart the Second strikes again.

I agree with Weasel...the whole concept of spending your life with one person that you chose in your late teens/early twenties cause you love them is ridiculous...you go through so many changes, your personalities are still developing etc...how can it ever work.
People stay faithfull because somehow that has become the norm, not because it's in their nature.

Millhouse Jun 6th 2011 4:22 pm

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I vote weasel. There are no guarantees in life.

MataHari Jun 6th 2011 4:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 9415306)
I vote weasel. There are no guarantees in life.

I love you...

scrubbedexpat141 Jun 6th 2011 4:40 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 9415303)
I agree with Weasel...the whole concept of spending your life with one person that you chose in your late teens/early twenties cause you love them is ridiculous...you go through so many changes, your personalities are still developing etc...how can it ever work.
People stay faithfull because somehow that has become the norm, not because it's in their nature.

Everyone is different. My grandparents were together from age 17/18.

Lots of people still get married young and realise what you said.

Swings and roundabouts though, changing and developing as a person doesn't always mean bad news.

MataHari Jun 6th 2011 4:53 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 9415327)
Everyone is different. My grandparents were together from age 17/18.

Lots of people still get married young and realise what you said.

Swings and roundabouts though, changing and developing as a person doesn't always mean bad news.

anyone can stay married by simply not divorcing, but that doesn't mean that the marriage is working, but that is beside the point.

I think it's unrealistic to have to chose a partner for life when you are young and that you are meant to be with that person for the next 40 or 50 years.

and no, it's good that you develop cause it would be pretty sad if you stayed the way you were in your teens/twenties...although I do know a few guys that never got over that mental age.

kittycat1 Jun 6th 2011 4:57 pm

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The old romantic in me says yes it is possible- noone ever said it would be easy and you have to work at a marriage to get you through the times where you want different things- its always about compromise.

However, I haven't met anyone that I feel I could do that with or would want to do that with -yet, note why I have never married. I like my life and not having to compromise and doing what I want when I want- selfish- yes, but at least Im being true to myself and not messing anyone about. If I met someone I absolutely adored and if they adored me then it might change my priorities and I might be prepared to change my lifestyle. At some point I would like to settle down and be with a life partner as its bloody hard work doing everything on your own! However it wouldn't surprise me if I don't.

The grass is always greener!

scrubbedexpat141 Jun 6th 2011 5:02 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 9415342)
anyone can stay married by simply not divorcing, but that doesn't mean that the marriage is working, but that is beside the point.

I think it's unrealistic to have to chose a partner for life when you are young and that you are meant to be with that person for the next 40 or 50 years.

and no, it's good that you develop cause it would be pretty sad if you stayed the way you were in your teens/twenties...although I do know a few guys that never got over that mental age.

in some ways I agree with your sentiment.

but it works for some, not all.

typical Jun 6th 2011 5:32 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 9415342)
anyone can stay married by simply not divorcing, but that doesn't mean that the marriage is working, but that is beside the point.

I think it's unrealistic to have to chose a partner for life when you are young and that you are meant to be with that person for the next 40 or 50 years.

and no, it's good that you develop cause it would be pretty sad if you stayed the way you were in your teens/twenties...although I do know a few guys that never got over that mental age.

The idea that a marriage should be based on love is a pretty modern one, and one that hasn't reached a lot of the world.

In any case, the average age people are marrying is rising, so it seems society agrees with you.

It would have been a disaster had I married when I was in my 20s. Just wasn't ready for it. That may be why I found it so hard to stay in a relationship back then :blink:

WakeUp Jun 6th 2011 5:50 pm

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There is always temptation in life, but one of the joys of being an adult is being able to choose as you wish.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you have to do it.

weasel central Jun 6th 2011 6:24 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 9415297)
Lionheart the Second strikes again.


:lol: yeah well its not pessimism its realism. There seems to be two ideas in this thread;

try to shag yourself silly then "settle" for one woman, lucky girl.

that (sexual) monogamy relates to being in love and sleeping with one person only, to the exclusivity of others

kittycat1 Jun 6th 2011 6:39 pm

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Weasal- isn't there a teeny tiny bit of you that would like to grow old with one person who you cherish dearly and without makes your world feel empty, who makes you smile and laugh and makes your life feel better?

weasel central Jun 6th 2011 6:48 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by kittycat1 (Post 9415502)
To maintain a healthy relationship monogamy is essential for most people whether it be a marriage or anything more than a booty call.

In my experience the illusion of monogamy is essential to some people.

It doesnt change the reality of how people are, plenty of divorce, marraige break ups, women with kids from multiple partners, mistresses etc regardless of the aspirations of the people this is how it turns out for a lot of people.

Also I find the ones who shout the most about it are the ones protesting too much.

kittycat1 Jun 6th 2011 6:50 pm

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I agree with you Weasal- but I would like to think it is possible to live happily ever after. Maybe the illusion is enough.

vauxhallmonterey Jun 6th 2011 6:55 pm

Re: Monogamy
 
Married 36 yrs, same person. Some good times, some average times, some really crap times. It's a 2 way street. Look out for each other, share common goals, laugh and cry together, some of the things that make it work. A short memory very important. See each others potential, encourage it. Amongst a lot of other advice, chance and character plays a part. In the end, multiple partners can bring baggage, give up too easily. Having said all that, the wrong partner can be hell, be honest, be brave, and move on.

Meow Jun 6th 2011 6:57 pm

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Life is some two to three times as long as when the concept of marriage was accepted in society, so that causes problems as people change over the years and these days everyone expects so much out of life, frequently without wanting to work at it.

I think expecting to marry in your 20s and still be happy with the same person some 40 years later is no longer a realistic expectation for many, but that is why so many have 'starter marriages' or several serious long-term relationships before marrying later in life (say late 30's or early 40's) when you are perhaps happy for a quieter stable life with one partner.

"Marriage is the result of the longing for the deep, deep peace of the double bed after the hurly-burly of the chaise-longue.”

There comes a time when you realise that a relationship is not about sex, but about companionship, love, support, friendship and other cosy sounding things. I hasten to add that the sex doesn't have to disappear, quite the contrary, but it's not the sole focus.

Millhouse Jun 6th 2011 7:01 pm

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LCFIZGUCDD...nshipstage.bmp

Norm_uk Jun 6th 2011 7:31 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by kittycat1 (Post 9415502)
Weasal- isn't there a teeny tiny bit of you that would like to grow old with one person who you cherish dearly and without makes your world feel empty, who makes you smile and laugh and makes your life feel better?

This thread is really about the difference between love and sex, and how differently you treat someone when you love and respect them- ie choosing to keep your pants on, and if your just banging them. Men don't like it if their girlfriend is sleeping with anyone else (even though they may think the idea of an open relationship is ok), the green eyed monster inevitably always comes out, and women don't like it if their boyfriend is sleeping with someone else- psycho bitch takes over. To maintain a healthy relationship monogamy is essential for most people whether it be a marriage or anything more than a booty call.

Everyone is different. There are people who don't get jealous, some who even like the idea of their partner sleeping with someone else. And there are others who cannot even stand to see their partner talking to someone more attractive than themselves.

I think the problem here is we are all trying to apply our own standards of what a "valid" relationship is onto others - or at least convince them this is the "right way".

There is no "right way"...the only issue in any relationship which concerns others is are all parties adults who have consented to be in that relationship and if children are involved are they being raised well in a loving environment. Beyond that it's not mine or your business if a woman has two men living with her or if one man has three wives or six boyfriends or none at all.

As for a "healthy" relationship - that's up to the people involved to talk honestly, and to respect each others feelings - not how many people are in the relationship.

N.

typical Jun 6th 2011 8:43 pm

Re: Monogamy
 
Interesting...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/th.../2011/jun/06/1

Bahtatboy Jun 6th 2011 10:43 pm

Re: Monogamy
 

Originally Posted by Spugsy (Post 9414225)
Once you've got all your wild days out the way, all your shagging

Never say never

lullabelle Jun 7th 2011 5:33 pm

Re: Monogamy
 
My gran and granddad were happily marriedfor 65 years. He said he still sW the feisty raven haired minx he married when he looked at her even though they bickered and wound each other up constantly. It was truly a relationship to admire.

My mum still adores my dad after 43 years - even though he's a miserable, mean spirited, grumpy and selish old toad. But hey, no accounting for taste.

I'd lve to think I'd could grow old with someone... I honestly don't know. I will say that cheating can be evil: I cheated during my first big relationship - met at 17, was with him for ten years, latterly had an affair for two years. I watched my boyfriend unravel when he found out, it was terrible. I was truly ashamed. I've been faithful when in serious relationships since, despite temptation.

Bahtatboy Jun 7th 2011 11:30 pm

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Originally Posted by lullabelle (Post 9418207)
My mum still adores my dad after 43 years - even though he's a miserable, mean spirited, grumpy and selish old toad. But hey, no accounting for taste.

You're Lionheart's daughter!!!!:eek:

Err, is that comment bad timing?

sherri Jun 7th 2011 11:38 pm

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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 9418757)
You're Lionheart's daughter!!!!:eek:

Err, is that comment bad timing?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


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