Kix

Isn't that what we've been saying? More or less?

boyfrombangor

I do think that at least one of them has probably been on a "training" camp. And they were fed the usual diet of jihad and American/Western occupation (update: at least one was a young adult convert). But the organisers of these camps are playing the numbers game and inviting hundreds and hundreds over in the hope that one or two of them are nuts enough to actually do something.

Kind of like the Prince's Trust.

kittycat1

The victim has been named as 25 year old Lee Rigby, married with a two year old son. I can't even begin to imagine how his family must be feeling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-old-son.html

Bahtatboy

But her blog's the equivalent of Col. Angry of Camberwell, thundering, "Goddamit, something's got to be done, Winnie" without actually saying what.

Just exploring other parts of her "official online home" (does she have an unofficial one?). Beginning to suspect that her teeth are far too white...

The Dean

Well, when she is on Fox News (yes, she's a neo-con) she has a reputation for keeping it.... er.... simple....

scrubbedexpat141

I definitely would.

The Dean

You'd keep it simple on Fox News?

boyfrombangor

In fact BB, I need to tie my two comments together because they appear to contradict each other. So to clarify, I am going to invoke the Four Lions argument.

That was a film about four nutters who went on a jihad but it was played for laughs as shoddy, slapstick and farcical. But what I took away from it was that although the force of conviction was there, there was no real organisation - it was a leaderless fight, it was just a hotchpotch group of ****ed up losers. So there are provocateurs, figure heads, but all they do is whip up a frenzy from a distance by feeding the flames and encourage people to agree with their view.

I too have a force of conviction, that Liverpool are still the greatest football team of all time and will be top of the league and Europe once more, but I'm not about to go postal on some ManUre fans (or am I?).

What I mean is, Timothy McVeigh was exacting revenge for the Waco Siege against what he saw as a tyrannical federal government in the US. Which is a clearly ridiculous viewpoint but a strongly held view amongst Okies and mountain men and Fox News viewers - who hold Tea Parties but don't blow up a van killing 188 innocent people. The Continuity and Real IRA are a couple of intermarried republican families plus a few vulnerable and out of work idiot recruits who sang a few too many rebel songs and romantically don't want to stop fighting "The Brits." The Boston Marathon bombers were practically naturalised but culturally uncomfortable US Chechens who inexplicably grew a Timothy McVeigh-style chip on their shoulder, about what? The treatment of Chechen villages and their Freedom Fighters by the Russian Army? But they too listened to a few too many rebel songs and decided in their heads that it was about the Muslims against the West. And lthough the Chechens are well into the Jihad in the 'Stans, those brothers were just good old fashioned nutters. With an appropriated cause. It would be like the Irish Americans sending money home through Noraid actually taking up arms and going Brit hunting.

They say that in Northern Ireland, during all the bombings, assassinations of policemen and indiscriminate murders of Catholics/Celtic fans/black taxi drivers, THERE WAS AN UNUSUALLY LOW AMOUNT OF OTHER VIOLENT CRIME AND PSYCOPATHY. I mean FFS. This crime is just labelled terrorism, which is a valid definition with a small t, but as soon as the news reports it as Terrorism there is a mass panic and it is elevate from the level of a tragic crime to an Issue of National Security Even Though We Arrested The Perpetrators Immediately.

You want to see real Terrorism? Go to a market or other public place in Iraq and wait. You want to see real Jihad? Go to Syria or the Hindu Kush.

For comparison with these recent acts of UK & US terror, suicide bombers were usually profiled as a vulnerable young adult who has been encouraged by a shady back room figure who convinced them to put this vest on but the US has bombed **** out of most of those now and they prefer a much more hands-off approach now (sorry Abu Hamza!). It takes more trawling for potential recruits in the right location but with the internet now as it is, it is so, so easy to attract angry young men and plant seeds.

That happened on both sides in Northern Ireland (admittedly on a much larger and organised scale) due to the closeness of the community and an "Us versus Them" mentality - did you know that Paisley 'accidentally' formed the UDA? Now one man can influence the global Muslim - or tinfoil hat conspiracy theory - population with a torrented video sermon/Moon landing footage. Moon landing conspiracy example thrown in to indicate the level I consider the jihadist movement AND ITS POPULARITY.

But these recent events are all great for the original provocateurs. They have the general population convinced that an entire minority is a time bomb that could go off at any time because of their culture, not because of their mental state. This raises the tension in the general population, which isolates the minority more, which makes them more likely to go off. All because two nutters in a UK islamic population of ?millions? went off.

Bahtatboy

Good point well made. The danger being that, worldwide, there are a lot of people who share those two nutters' views and are sufficiently brainwashed to do what was done yesterday. Thankfully, I don't think there are many in UK.

boyfrombangor

Thankfully there aren't many in the UK, and thankfully for us B.E. they don't shit where they eat...

...Unless there happens to be a healthy Shi'ite/Sunni/Alawi minority in your neighbourhood, in which case it's colander on the head time.

scot47

Who or what is Monica Crowley ?

The Dean

She is A-Right-Wing-Television-Personality who is wheeled out on a rent-a-quote basis on a regular basis.

Millhouse

Why is it the converts are always the ones who carry out these attacks.

Anyone who converts (to any religion) is a bit unhinged in my view.

britexpat76

Indeed, they are usually lacking something in their life (A Brain normally)

Any religion that preaches that the afterlife is the true life and to die a martyr sends you to a better place in heaven is worrying though. These nutters obviously believe it all.

Boomhauer

Just think, it's these same sort of people Cameroon is itching to support in Syria.