scrubbedexpat141

Good point - It's a bit aggressive isn't it. I just love RP, not rioting.

That aside, it was interesting to see the London riots fade last night, no more shops to empty, not much more to burn down and a lot of ebay listings to create.

co durham boy

It is when you're 15

Norm_uk

Nazism was born in the crippling economic burdens on Germany after world war one and on a burning desire by the Germans to get revenge after what they saw as an humiliating peace and centuries. It can be argued that we created the Nazis or at least provided the soil in which they grew. Let's not also forget that we sat by watching Germany rearm itself and march into several states before we even did anything. People like Churchill were shot down before the war as a warmonger, an imperialist and a trouble maker for suggesting we do more to prepare for war with Germany. We're doing the same thing now by sticking our heads in the sand and hope Britain's social problems will go away.

Being proud of your own culture and putting them it in your own country, or teaching children positive traditions and helping immigrants integrate into that is not the same as National Socialism...it's not even close and would help moderate far right wingers who feel their concerns are not heard so turn to extremism and give support to closet Nazis like the BNP when they should be turning to the political centre.

I'd rather not have any riots or world wars myself, and I'm not a pacifist by any means.

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paca

I did a quick search last night - clicked on electronics/tv and set to new listed..

there was a few listed as "unwanted gifts" brand new, never opened in the london area

Norm_uk

Ironic that you share the same hate for modern pop culture that I do - I'd like to hear what your suggestions on combating this disease would be rather than how much you hate ring wing hate mongers. We can both agree hate mongering is rarely productive unless in context and for awareness raising rather than the political gain of the mongers.

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Bahtatboy

You are now on my Ignore list.

mentalist

So where are the Tyke and Geordie riots or don't they have unruly teenagers in that neck of the world? Just curious as it seems to have spread everywhere else. Maybe the kids are brought up proper in the north east.

Spugsy

they have their freedom to lose as they'll get banged up. Any respect from the community to lose as people will realise they are little shitbags.

Spugsy

I think most people are ready to nip it in the bud if it does happen. I truly hope it doesn't, would like to think we're better than that, but time will tell.

Blue Cat

let's hope they are, there maybe plenty scallies but all out destruction I hope not

WakeUp

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-an.../ref=zg_bs_tab

Shovel, baseball bats and nunchuks?

MacScot

I was thinking along the same lines since there is probably more youth unemployment and deprivation in these northern areas, and Glasgow as well! Though time will tell.

Norm_uk

TV in general is nonsense...and what one considers nonsense is a gem of art to another. I am a big sci-fi and drama fan but what I like would be as interesting as having a tooth drilled for the next person.

I agree that reality TV and low brow shows from anywhere are not helpful but I also thing the music culture which promotes gangster lifestyles has contributed to the problem. Another issue is the lack of clear tradition and custom in some areas. Custom and tradition can often serve to moderate behaviour in human society. There's no one fix solution and we have to be careful about just blaming unconstructively but whatever the case we both agree there are huge social problems in Britain.

I'll give you 50% for TV...how's that

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Norm_uk

I never said they never riot. I said they don't do it every time a toerag is shot by the police. Given more people are shot by the police in the USA they have fewer riots and nothing on the scale we are having in the UK right now.

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Ethos83

Rather liked this article. It summarises most of my views quite well.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226111939883