Lockerbie bomber freed
Aug 21st 2009, 5:11 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by The Dean
He was handed over by Libya as a scapegoat as part of an admittedly very shoddy deal.....
.......... and we then put him on trial and find him NOT guilty?
The words "stock" and "laughing" come to mind.
I'm not happy with many aspects of the whole tragic business either, including his release, but I think we can for once happily resist American pressure.
It makes a change anyway - they want to extradite that McKinnon (?) guy with Asperger's Syndrome who hacked into the Pentagon computer systems. If found guilty, he'll go away for a Madoff-style sentence - they should be giving him a medal instead.
Justice..... can't live with it, can't live without it............
.......... and we then put him on trial and find him NOT guilty?
The words "stock" and "laughing" come to mind.
I'm not happy with many aspects of the whole tragic business either, including his release, but I think we can for once happily resist American pressure.
It makes a change anyway - they want to extradite that McKinnon (?) guy with Asperger's Syndrome who hacked into the Pentagon computer systems. If found guilty, he'll go away for a Madoff-style sentence - they should be giving him a medal instead.
Justice..... can't live with it, can't live without it............
The McKinnon guy should be extradited. A guy with his abilities and lack of control is a real danger. the problem though lies with the inequality of extradition agreements between the US and UK.
Aug 21st 2009, 5:55 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by Inselaffen
The McKinnon guy should be extradited. A guy with his abilities and lack of control is a real danger. the problem though lies with the inequality of extradition agreements between the US and UK.
He shouldn't be extradited - he should be offered a job. "Lack of control"? If the systems were any good, he couldn't hack into them.
Out of curiosity - do you think he has actually committed a crime? And do you think he'd get a fair trial? And do you think he'd be found guilty or not guilty?
It's time to tell the Septics to f--- off - and we should do that more often.
Aug 21st 2009, 8:56 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by The Dean
You're out of your mind.
He shouldn't be extradited - he should be offered a job. "Lack of control"? If the systems were any good, he couldn't hack into them.
Out of curiosity - do you think he has actually committed a crime? And do you think he'd get a fair trial? And do you think he'd be found guilty or not guilty?
It's time to tell the Septics to f--- off - and we should do that more often.
He shouldn't be extradited - he should be offered a job. "Lack of control"? If the systems were any good, he couldn't hack into them.
Out of curiosity - do you think he has actually committed a crime? And do you think he'd get a fair trial? And do you think he'd be found guilty or not guilty?
It's time to tell the Septics to f--- off - and we should do that more often.
Yes he committed a crime. whether he is convicted and a subequent sentence should depend on medical evidence on his condition.
Aug 21st 2009, 9:11 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by MacScot
Why speechless ? Unless you wanted US justice system applied in the UK:
Scots justice: compassionate release of terminally ill long-term prisoners (e.g., Al Magrahi)
English justice: compassionate release of terminally ill long-term prisoners (e.g., Ronnie Biggs).
American justice - no compassionate release of long-term prisoners - let them rot and die in jail = vengeance !
Scots justice: compassionate release of terminally ill long-term prisoners (e.g., Al Magrahi)
English justice: compassionate release of terminally ill long-term prisoners (e.g., Ronnie Biggs).
American justice - no compassionate release of long-term prisoners - let them rot and die in jail = vengeance !
The same with Ronnie Biggs, he has lived a life of luxury on other people's misery (although that is always a debate), yet he gets let out. To be fair, he served a LOT longer than Al Magrahi.
American justice - a sentence is made, and stuck to.
Surely how it should be?
Aug 21st 2009, 9:12 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by The Dean
You're out of your mind.
He shouldn't be extradited - he should be offered a job. "Lack of control"? If the systems were any good, he couldn't hack into them.
Out of curiosity - do you think he has actually committed a crime? And do you think he'd get a fair trial? And do you think he'd be found guilty or not guilty?
It's time to tell the Septics to f--- off - and we should do that more often.
He shouldn't be extradited - he should be offered a job. "Lack of control"? If the systems were any good, he couldn't hack into them.
Out of curiosity - do you think he has actually committed a crime? And do you think he'd get a fair trial? And do you think he'd be found guilty or not guilty?
It's time to tell the Septics to f--- off - and we should do that more often.
Aug 21st 2009, 9:18 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
I think Dean's points are valid - The guy was set up as part of a larger plan by the US.That revolved around Iran & Iraq at the time.The bomber was proven to be a Libyan sanctions buster & used as a pawn in some US power play - but actual proof of him being the bomber was sketchy to say the least.Most of the families of the UK dead have lobbied for his release for many years.
Aug 21st 2009, 9:25 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by Amnesia180
So, are you saying that it's OK to murder 270 people, show no remorse for your actions and only serve 8 years of a life sentence... because you're ill? Cancer or a Coldsore... shouldn't make a difference. He's committed an offence.
The same with Ronnie Biggs, he has lived a life of luxury on other people's misery (although that is always a debate), yet he gets let out. To be fair, he served a LOT longer than Al Magrahi.
American justice - a sentence is made, and stuck to.
Surely how it should be?
The same with Ronnie Biggs, he has lived a life of luxury on other people's misery (although that is always a debate), yet he gets let out. To be fair, he served a LOT longer than Al Magrahi.
American justice - a sentence is made, and stuck to.
Surely how it should be?
But be realistic the proof against this guy was based on US information.
We all know where that's got Britain over the past years.
And look at how many innocent people are locked up in US jails for "want of" or "lack of" evidence.
Aug 21st 2009, 10:03 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by service crew
Nobody would condone the murder of the innocent.
But be realistic the proof against this guy was based on US information.
We all know where that's got Britain over the past years.
And look at how many innocent people are locked up in US jails for "want of" or "lack of" evidence.
But be realistic the proof against this guy was based on US information.
We all know where that's got Britain over the past years.
And look at how many innocent people are locked up in US jails for "want of" or "lack of" evidence.
Saying that, I totally respect your point about lack of evidence, etc. It makes you wonder how many other cases are like that and whether people are released early because in the Govt heart of hearts, they knew they shouldn't have been there in the first place?
Still, I'm sure we'll have many more of these to come!
Aug 21st 2009, 10:34 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
This is a bit rich ! 
Many Libyans are blaming the Scottish authorities for not taking care of Al Megrahi's health while in prison. Some are convinced that the Megrahi case could be viewed as a premeditated murder on the part of the Scottish authorities. (The Tripoli Times)
http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=1&i=3486
Many Libyans are blaming the Scottish authorities for not taking care of Al Megrahi's health while in prison. Some are convinced that the Megrahi case could be viewed as a premeditated murder on the part of the Scottish authorities. (The Tripoli Times)
http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=1&i=3486
Aug 21st 2009, 10:36 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Actually I was lookin at it in another way and this could be a completely wrong presumption to make but since we know the politicians are only good for themselves so may be UK govt: needs some sort of 'cooperation' from the Lebyan govt: and they thought Mr. Megrahi is or will soon be on the death bed anyway so lets just release him as a goodwill gesture to show empathy with the Lebyans in order to secure other favours.
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Aug 21st 2009, 11:02 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
It's quite possible some deal has been struck with the Brits & the Libyans.
That's why the US is so miffed at the fact he's being released.
US foreign policy sucks & always has done.
That's why the US is so miffed at the fact he's being released.
US foreign policy sucks & always has done.
Aug 21st 2009, 11:21 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by service crew
It's quite possible some deal has been struck with the Brits & the Libyans.
That's why the US is so miffed at the fact he's being released.
US foreign policy sucks & always has done.
That's why the US is so miffed at the fact he's being released.
US foreign policy sucks & always has done.
Aug 21st 2009, 11:22 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by ceres
Yes it starts with O and ends in L.
Aug 21st 2009, 11:34 am
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by ceres
Yes it starts with O and ends in L.
Look at anything they've been involved in outside the gr8 US of A over the past 50 years.Even today they are pitting half of South America against themselves & each other.All in the name of "Freedom"Question is what price?
Their track record is terrible - sadly "O and ends in L"brought it home too them.
Aug 21st 2009, 2:31 pm
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Re: Lockerbie bomber freed
Originally Posted by ceres
Yes it starts with O and ends in L.
