Lest we forget - 6 February 1958
Feb 7th 2008, 6:24 pm
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Feb 7th 2008, 6:26 pm
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Re: Lest we forget - 6 February 1958
Its not a 'brand' its friggin 'Roy of the Rovers'......Can you get your head out of cutting a deal (what do you do in Doobye? say 'sell timeshare' and I am so not speaking to you) and think sport...............
So I have never been to Rio,can I not love Pele???
Sport? yes caught up in branding.....The Club has to meet the demands of the fans;Have you ever heard of Freuchie Cricket Club?
Tell me where smaller clubs could 'up' their ground spec to the conditions health and safety imposed on them after Ibrox;after Hillborough?
Not every ground has Harrods in the backyard like Craven Cottage or Delia dishing up dozens of millions and the best pies since Jeffrey Archer's Shepherds at the Canaries Club
So I have never been to Rio,can I not love Pele???
Sport? yes caught up in branding.....The Club has to meet the demands of the fans;Have you ever heard of Freuchie Cricket Club?
Tell me where smaller clubs could 'up' their ground spec to the conditions health and safety imposed on them after Ibrox;after Hillborough?
Not every ground has Harrods in the backyard like Craven Cottage or Delia dishing up dozens of millions and the best pies since Jeffrey Archer's Shepherds at the Canaries Club
No, not every club has millions, but you know what, I have more respect for the 1,304 fellas who go and watch Macclesfield or Wrexham or whoever week in week out come rain or shine, than I do for the millions of Man U supporters who support them in the most part because they have been sold a brand, and are glory hunting !
Same goes with Chelsea, they always were one of the small London clubs, both in stadium and support, you never ever used to see a kid wearing a Chelsea shirt when I was at school in London. An Arsenal, Tottenham, West Ham shirt, yes, but never Chelsea, and I mean never. You used to go to Stamford Bridge, which was a right kak hole, no grass on the pitch with one stand, and open the other sides, and hooligans for support, and who's team were 99 per cent of the time dire, and who spent most of their time in the old 2nd division....Suddenly a day or two before going bankrupt and out of business for good (which would have been brilliant) a billionaire Russian comes along, saves them , and starts buying expensive players, and nabs the the marketing guy from Man Utd (because they had been succesful in selling themselves) to market Chelsea globally....and hey ho, before you know it, there are little kids in India or Dubai or China wearing Chelsea shirts, and so it all starts again.....
Feb 7th 2008, 6:27 pm
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Feb 7th 2008, 6:30 pm
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There's a big difference.....So you have never been to Rio ok, but do you support Pele, do you wear his shirts, do you walk around with a Pele shirt with his name on the back, do you watch TV cheering on a team from another country, who you have never seen in the flesh.....I guess not ??? It would be like me suddenly cheering on and wearing shirts of the NY Giants, just because they had advertised and marketed themselves to such an extent that I was convinced I supported them, its nonsense !
No, not every club has millions, but you know what, I have more respect for the 1,304 fellas who go and watch Macclesfield or Wrexham or whoever week in week out come rain or shine, than I do for the millions of Man U supporters who support them in the most part because they have been sold a brand, and are glory hunting !
Same goes with Chelsea, they always were one of the small London clubs, both in stadium and support, you never ever used to see a kid wearing a Chelsea shirt when I was at school in London. An Arsenal, Tottenham, West Ham shirt, yes, but never Chelsea, and I mean never. You used to go to Stamford Bridge, which was a right kak hole, no grass on the pitch with one stand, and open the other sides, and hooligans for support, and who's team were 99 per cent of the time dire, and who spent most of their time in the old 2nd division....Suddenly a day or two before going bankrupt and out of business for good (which would have been brilliant) a billionaire Russian comes along, saves them , and starts buying expensive players, and nabs the the marketing guy from Man Utd (because they had been succesful in selling themselves) to market Chelsea globally....and hey ho, before you know it, there are little kids in India or Dubai or China wearing Chelsea shirts, and so it all starts again.....
No, not every club has millions, but you know what, I have more respect for the 1,304 fellas who go and watch Macclesfield or Wrexham or whoever week in week out come rain or shine, than I do for the millions of Man U supporters who support them in the most part because they have been sold a brand, and are glory hunting !
Same goes with Chelsea, they always were one of the small London clubs, both in stadium and support, you never ever used to see a kid wearing a Chelsea shirt when I was at school in London. An Arsenal, Tottenham, West Ham shirt, yes, but never Chelsea, and I mean never. You used to go to Stamford Bridge, which was a right kak hole, no grass on the pitch with one stand, and open the other sides, and hooligans for support, and who's team were 99 per cent of the time dire, and who spent most of their time in the old 2nd division....Suddenly a day or two before going bankrupt and out of business for good (which would have been brilliant) a billionaire Russian comes along, saves them , and starts buying expensive players, and nabs the the marketing guy from Man Utd (because they had been succesful in selling themselves) to market Chelsea globally....and hey ho, before you know it, there are little kids in India or Dubai or China wearing Chelsea shirts, and so it all starts again.....
I proudly wore my shirt, my big bro took me and 3 very younger siblings to all the home games
ah those were the days
Feb 7th 2008, 6:33 pm
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Re: Lest we forget - 6 February 1958
There's a big difference.....So you have never been to Rio ok, but do you support Pele, do you wear his shirts, do you walk around with a Pele shirt with his name on the back, do you watch TV cheering on a team from another country, who you have never seen in the flesh.....I guess not ??? It would be like me suddenly cheering on and wearing shirts of the NY Giants, just because they had advertised and marketed themselves to such an extent that I was convinced I supported them, its nonsense !
No, not every club has millions, but you know what, I have more respect for the 1,304 fellas who go and watch Macclesfield or Wrexham or whoever week in week out come rain or shine, than I do for the millions of Man U supporters who support them in the most part because they have been sold a brand, and are glory hunting !
Same goes with Chelsea, they always were one of the small London clubs, both in stadium and support, you never ever used to see a kid wearing a Chelsea shirt when I was at school in London. An Arsenal, Tottenham, West Ham shirt, yes, but never Chelsea, and I mean never. You used to go to Stamford Bridge, which was a right kak hole, no grass on the pitch with one stand, and open the other sides, and hooligans for support, and who's team were 99 per cent of the time dire, and who spent most of their time in the old 2nd division....Suddenly a day or two before going bankrupt and out of business for good (which would have been brilliant) a billionaire Russian comes along, saves them , and starts buying expensive players, and nabs the the marketing guy from Man Utd (because they had been succesful in selling themselves) to market Chelsea globally....and hey ho, before you know it, there are little kids in India or Dubai or China wearing Chelsea shirts, and so it all starts again.....
No, not every club has millions, but you know what, I have more respect for the 1,304 fellas who go and watch Macclesfield or Wrexham or whoever week in week out come rain or shine, than I do for the millions of Man U supporters who support them in the most part because they have been sold a brand, and are glory hunting !
Same goes with Chelsea, they always were one of the small London clubs, both in stadium and support, you never ever used to see a kid wearing a Chelsea shirt when I was at school in London. An Arsenal, Tottenham, West Ham shirt, yes, but never Chelsea, and I mean never. You used to go to Stamford Bridge, which was a right kak hole, no grass on the pitch with one stand, and open the other sides, and hooligans for support, and who's team were 99 per cent of the time dire, and who spent most of their time in the old 2nd division....Suddenly a day or two before going bankrupt and out of business for good (which would have been brilliant) a billionaire Russian comes along, saves them , and starts buying expensive players, and nabs the the marketing guy from Man Utd (because they had been succesful in selling themselves) to market Chelsea globally....and hey ho, before you know it, there are little kids in India or Dubai or China wearing Chelsea shirts, and so it all starts again.....
Feb 7th 2008, 6:38 pm
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Feb 7th 2008, 7:05 pm
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Re: Lest we forget - 6 February 1958
Do you honestly think a sportsman can stand 'naked'-sorry only word I can think of -meaning offering nothing but 'talent' and survive one league;tourney;circuit without being approached/tarnished by sponsors?
Feb 7th 2008, 7:14 pm
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Re: Lest we forget - 6 February 1958
Feb 7th 2008, 7:25 pm
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No, these days you would not survive as a sportsman or a team without sponsors, and I dont disagree with it, its a "both win" situation. It gives the sportsman or team much needed money and the sponsor publicity........But with Man U, and I am sure there must be other clubds trying it, wha possible reason is for them to have a "soccr school" for example in Dubai ? They will tell you its to promote the sport in Dubai or wherever, its good for the young kids, or underprivellged blah blah blah....its rubbish !. The real reason is, like they have done in China and the Far East when they go on tour there to play exhibition games, the sole aim is to promote their name as far and as wide as possible, sell shirts, and make money out of merchadising, its nothing to do with promoting soccer, helping the needy etc etc
Please........were you trialled somewhere and broke a leg?
Now I'm suspicious of you.......you are calling it soccer!
Do you think -ok lets go for the brand leaders-
Do you think David Beckham would rather have his hair gelled than execute an almost perfect right(?) kick?
Do you think Thierry would rather tear up the pitch than drive a pathetic vava voom renault?
Do you think Steph Gerarrd would rather slap Alex than be married to her?
Oh so there's Wayne....product of possibly drunks-foetil alcohol syndrome could explain the ears-but the boy knows his way around a ball.
Look at their leader Alex-small protestant town-tradesman;dour; but sets a team on fire!
The passion and the glory still remains at the feet of those who score the goals...............
Feb 7th 2008, 7:32 pm
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Re: Lest we forget - 6 February 1958
Please........were you trialled somewhere and broke a leg?
Now I'm suspicious of you.......you are calling it soccer!
Do you think -ok lets go for the brand leaders-
Do you think David Beckham would rather have his hair gelled than execute an almost perfect right(?) kick?
Do you think Thierry would rather tear up the pitch than drive a pathetic vava voom renault?
Do you think Steph Gerarrd would rather slap Alex than be married to her?
Oh so there's Wayne....product of possibly drunks-foetil alcohol syndrome could explain the ears-but the boy knows his way around a ball.
Look at their leader Alex-small protestant town-tradesman;dour; but sets a team on fire!
The passion and the glory still remains at the feet of those who score the goals...............
Now I'm suspicious of you.......you are calling it soccer!
Do you think -ok lets go for the brand leaders-
Do you think David Beckham would rather have his hair gelled than execute an almost perfect right(?) kick?
Do you think Thierry would rather tear up the pitch than drive a pathetic vava voom renault?
Do you think Steph Gerarrd would rather slap Alex than be married to her?
Oh so there's Wayne....product of possibly drunks-foetil alcohol syndrome could explain the ears-but the boy knows his way around a ball.
Look at their leader Alex-small protestant town-tradesman;dour; but sets a team on fire!
The passion and the glory still remains at the feet of those who score the goals...............
Feb 7th 2008, 7:40 pm
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Re: Lest we forget - 6 February 1958
I called it Soccer, in reference to 'Soccer school'.....All good players for sure.............and David Beckam wasnt bought by Real Madrid primarily to sell shirts ????? No, of course not.....what a terrible thing to suggest !.............he hadnt been there more than a fornight and they were straight off to The Far East !!!
What are you still moaning about ? small people don't champion
This debate-please don't stop- really doesn't belong on the same page as a memorial to young talented guys killed when they still had their lives to live.
Right Midnight Moerator stick this up............cue new thread jingle jangleman-a real test of your knowledge
Feb 7th 2008, 7:42 pm
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Re: Lest we forget - 6 February 1958
Well hush ma mouth..........how do I invent a new thread?
Feb 7th 2008, 7:52 pm
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Re: Lest we forget - 6 February 1958
stop being a glory hunter and get down to the Daggers