Lady boss...
Sep 23rd 2008, 6:50 am
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Re: Lady boss...
Still in the denial phase? 
I had a "women boss" (as the media insists on calling them, like "women soldiers" etc. Why can't they just be "Female soldiers" FFS?) but it's never worked out in the end, we faught too often on the issue of doing exactly as told by our parent company v.s. making them money so they wouldn't dare question what we where doing (I took the latter view). She left and a new manager was appointed, and everybody was happy
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There are some things men are just better at, like taking risks and being in leadership roles. You can argue against it as much as you like but even in "progressive" organisations men usually rise faster and are more ambitious.
I had a "women boss" (as the media insists on calling them, like "women soldiers" etc. Why can't they just be "Female soldiers" FFS?) but it's never worked out in the end, we faught too often on the issue of doing exactly as told by our parent company v.s. making them money so they wouldn't dare question what we where doing (I took the latter view). She left and a new manager was appointed, and everybody was happy
.There are some things men are just better at, like taking risks and being in leadership roles. You can argue against it as much as you like but even in "progressive" organisations men usually rise faster and are more ambitious.
And you know I will argue against your last paragraph.
I will agree that in general men are more ambitious than women, but you cannot apply your comments to 100% of women. Some of us women do take risks, are good at leading and do progress. Overall, it appears that women do not like the same level of 'cut & thrust' in business and are more drawn to the 'caring' and less combative careers. Whether this is by nature or nurture I do not know.
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Sep 23rd 2008, 6:53 am
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Re: Lady boss...
Agreeable arrangement. He keeps you in designer rags and mows the garden, in exchange you play tidy housewife and shop while he's playing "hide the todger" with the mistress (discreetly of course, you have a public profile to maintain and function to attend togeather). I'm liking you already MH, when I get conned into the marraige scam I might get you to have a word with the Mrs. so I can have a similar arrangement .
(discreetly of course, you have a public profile to maintain and function to attend togeather). I'm liking you already MH, when I get conned into the marraige scam I might get you to have a word with the Mrs. so I can have a similar arrangement .
Sep 23rd 2008, 6:58 am
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Re: Lady boss...
Agreeable arrangement. He keeps you in designer rags and mows the garden, in exchange you play tidy housewife and shop while he's playing "hide the todger" with the mistress (discreetly of course, you have a public profile to maintain and function to attend togeather). I'm liking you already MH, when I get conned into the marraige scam I might get you to have a word with the Mrs. so I can have a similar arrangement .
(discreetly of course, you have a public profile to maintain and function to attend togeather). I'm liking you already MH, when I get conned into the marraige scam I might get you to have a word with the Mrs. so I can have a similar arrangement .
Sep 23rd 2008, 7:05 am
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Re: Lady boss...
What do I think? Utterly ridiculous of course. I really don't see why men and women in the work place should be treated differently and to keep on about supposed differences just creates tensions. (Before the naysayers start -yes there are some physical diffrences but they don't affect the majority of jobs.)
It is 2008 and I just don't get why so many people want to behave as if it is 1958. This town is enough of a time warp on its own.
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It is 2008 and I just don't get why so many people want to behave as if it is 1958. This town is enough of a time warp on its own.
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Why? Because "Women don't ask" (Linda C. Babcock, Sara Laschever, Princeton University Press), and men tend to take advantage of it.
Sep 23rd 2008, 7:09 am
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Re: Lady boss...
.Try that with a female manager and you'd always be silently resented until you had her replaced. In the end men tend to gel togeather and do what's in their best interest (On almost all occasions I can think of though it's been beneficial to the employer as well).
I usually see this as not wanting to be on the front lines, the problem is that's where reputations are made. The 'soft' options are usually low risk and low reward.
Sep 23rd 2008, 7:33 am
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Re: Lady boss...
Not really. The thing is with a bloke you can just take him down to the pub on a Friday, buy him a pint and tell him you think he's being a tosser and stepping on your toes. Issue resolved .
Try that with a female manager and you'd always be silently resented until you had her replaced. In the end men tend to gel togeather and do what's in their best interest (On almost all occasions I can think of though it's been beneficial to the employer as well).
There are a few who enjoy being on the leading edge, the problem is that they'll always be tarred with the same brush unless they prove themselves.
I usually see this as not wanting to be on the front lines, the problem is that's where reputations are made. The 'soft' options are usually low risk and low reward.
.Try that with a female manager and you'd always be silently resented until you had her replaced. In the end men tend to gel togeather and do what's in their best interest (On almost all occasions I can think of though it's been beneficial to the employer as well).
There are a few who enjoy being on the leading edge, the problem is that they'll always be tarred with the same brush unless they prove themselves.
I usually see this as not wanting to be on the front lines, the problem is that's where reputations are made. The 'soft' options are usually low risk and low reward.
It is an old habit indeed, scholars liked to believe that the game hunter-gatherers were bringing back to the tribe was what make them all survive.
It was not, it was too low in calories for the effort required, too random as a source of nutrients to be relied on. The collection of berries and roots/seeds/other edibles, and the first farming/harvesting, mostly operated by women while the men were out having fun was the real staple, and it is thanks to those women that we are here now clicking on our keyboards.
Sep 23rd 2008, 7:56 am
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Re: Lady boss...
"low risk and low reward". That is usually what keeps the world spinning, people tend to think themselves as a little slicker than they really are, then they end up panting out of their offices holding a carton box and a sad smile, everybody around grinning really hard or just LOL..
If the shareholders are kept happy you can do no wrong, witness the current financial 'crisis' (or "adjustment towards a more reasonable value" as I like to call it) in the banking sector. Shareholders where happy assuming NINJA loans would work and valued them highly...
It is an old habit indeed, scholars liked to believe that the game hunter-gatherers were bringing back to the tribe was what make them all survive.
It was not, it was too low in calories for the effort required, too random as a source of nutrients to be relied on. The collection of berries and roots/seeds/other edibles, and the first farming/harvesting, mostly operated by women while the men were out having fun was the real staple, and it is thanks to those women that we are here now clicking on our keyboards.
It was not, it was too low in calories for the effort required, too random as a source of nutrients to be relied on. The collection of berries and roots/seeds/other edibles, and the first farming/harvesting, mostly operated by women while the men were out having fun was the real staple, and it is thanks to those women that we are here now clicking on our keyboards.
Sep 23rd 2008, 9:58 am
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Re: Lady boss...
It's amazing what employers will tollerate in fact just for a few more quid in the bank
, but in the end that's all that matters to anyone in a position of power
. Regional managers answer to senior managers, senior managers to the board and the board to shareholders.
If the shareholders are kept happy you can do no wrong, witness the current financial 'crisis' (or "adjustment towards a more reasonable value" as I like to call it) in the banking sector. Shareholders where happy assuming NINJA loans would work and valued them highly...
We adapt.
Men battle the same demons in a different form.
Sep 23rd 2008, 11:15 am
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Re: Lady boss...
I'm not very ambitious - am just good at my job and the rest just falls in to place I guess....
So despite not being 'better' at taking risks, not very ambitious, I've risen very fast.....
Yeah, my current boss is fantastic
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Sep 24th 2008, 10:32 am
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Sep 24th 2008, 11:38 am
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Re: Lady boss...
It doesn't have the stigma it used to have......... I got 'downsized' a few years ago when about 30 percent of that firm's workforce were culled all at once.......
Best thing that ever happened to me - and the firm died a painful death within two years.......
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Sep 24th 2008, 1:24 pm
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I didn't get it until you said this, you must work for Navistar/International Harvester AICMFP .
On whatever they thought future growth was going to be and however they chose to value assets .
There is a fantastically long, informative and boring book on the subject by Benjamin Graham called “Securities Analysis”. It boils down to the fact that all investments require a little speculation because no company truly offers full disclosure on it's financial position (much less an up to date one), but in most cases you can make an educated guess as to the companies real value and growth potential it's financial records (often including the bits they don't want you to see, hidden in small print in the footnotes).
It doesn't even take reading a book to realise however that if real estate price growth exceeds the growth in wages there is a problem in the long-term or that those who will fold first are those with “liar loans” or similar who can't meet their obligations.
.. There is a fantastically long, informative and boring book on the subject by Benjamin Graham called “Securities Analysis”. It boils down to the fact that all investments require a little speculation because no company truly offers full disclosure on it's financial position (much less an up to date one), but in most cases you can make an educated guess as to the companies real value and growth potential it's financial records (often including the bits they don't want you to see, hidden in small print in the footnotes
).It doesn't even take reading a book to realise however that if real estate price growth exceeds the growth in wages there is a problem in the long-term or that those who will fold first are those with “liar loans” or similar who can't meet their obligations.
