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Bison Feb 1st 2009 4:55 am

Labourer With A Death Wish.... I saved his life.
 
I was coming off the SZR the yesterday (exit to Ibn Battuta) and there was a group of labourers on the left of the exit road (I was in the right hand lane)
I had an eye on them and there was a car slightly behind me in the left lane.

Anyways, there I was trundling along minding my own (I was doing about 100kph and slowing for the exit) when one brave or stupid or possible blind labourer decided he would leave his little group and bolt across the exit road about 20 metres in front of me.

I slammed my brakes on but because I am still renting this piece of shite Lancer, it locked up due to the lack of ABS, I was heading right for him, so I had to take evasive and drastic action otherwise he was a dead man.

I swerved to avoid him into the left lane that he had already crossed, the back end of my car came out massively, dropped it down into LS to get the revs up and I had to do a full on power down with an arab flick to get her straight again. It was quite impressive and I am convinced that anyone else would have either killed the labourer or smashed their car up trying to avoid him.

So, thank God my quick reactions and driving abilitiy saved all, I hope him and his little group of friends have learnt a lesson and will learn the Green Cross Code.

Blue Cat Feb 1st 2009 5:05 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235021)
I was coming off the SZR the yesterday (exit to Ibn Battuta) and there was a group of labourers on the left of the exit road (I was in the right hand lane)
I had an eye on them and there was a car slightly behind me in the left lane.

Anyways, there I was trundling along minding my own (I was doing about 100kph and slowing for the exit) when one brave or stupid or possible blind labourer decided he would leave his little group and bolt across the exit road about 20 metres in front of me.

I slammed my brakes on but because I am still renting this piece of shite Lancer, it locked up due to the lack of ABS, I was heading right for him, so I had to take evasive and drastic action otherwise he was a dead man.

I swerved to avoid him into the left lane that he had already crossed, the back end of my car came out massively, dropped it down into LS to get the revs up and I had to do a full on power down with an arab flick to get her straight again. It was quite impressive and I am convinced that anyone else would have either killed the labourer or smashed their car up trying to avoid him.

So, thank God my quick reactions and driving abilitiy saved all, I hope him and his little group of friends have learnt a lesson and will learn the Green Cross Code.

maybe he wanted to die?

lionheart Feb 1st 2009 5:06 am

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[QUOTE=Bison;7235021]
...the back end of my car came out massively, dropped it down into LS to get the revs up and I had to do a full on power down with an arab flick to get her straight again. /QUOTE]Sorry Bison but can we have a layman's translation, please...a drawing would suffice.

Bison Feb 1st 2009 5:47 am

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maybe he wanted to die?
I was just having a conversation with a colleague and he said a lot of these guys run out on purpose to get injured so they can get compensation payouts.


Sorry Bison but can we have a layman's translation, please...a drawing would suffice.
Ok well I can't provide a drawing at this stage, but basically as I was skidding towards him, the cars wheels had locked up due to no ABS, I was skidding toward him, so I had to swerve into the left lane to avoid him, but there was a car in the left lane slightly behind me, so as I swerved whilst braking the back end of the car began to slide out, I had to flick the car to the right (I call this the Arab Flick, see attached you tube video of serious car control using the flick here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W1bSKw0SkE) and as I flicked it back to the right I had to power down the gas out of the skid, thus straightening my car up, avoiding said labourer and avoiding hitting the car which was slightly behind me and to my left.

Bison

Inselaffen Feb 1st 2009 6:34 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235094)
I was just having a conversation with a colleague and he said a lot of these guys run out on purpose to get injured so they can get compensation payouts.

Bison

I doubt that as they will also get some jail time and probable deportation for jaywalking.

Porky Pig Feb 1st 2009 6:35 am

Re: Labourer With A Death Wish.... I saved his life.
 

Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235021)
I was coming off the SZR the yesterday (exit to Ibn Battuta) and there was a group of labourers on the left of the exit road (I was in the right hand lane)
I had an eye on them and there was a car slightly behind me in the left lane.

Anyways, there I was trundling along minding my own (I was doing about 100kph and slowing for the exit) when one brave or stupid or possible blind labourer decided he would leave his little group and bolt across the exit road about 20 metres in front of me.

I slammed my brakes on but because I am still renting this piece of shite Lancer, it locked up due to the lack of ABS, I was heading right for him, so I had to take evasive and drastic action otherwise he was a dead man.

I swerved to avoid him into the left lane that he had already crossed, the back end of my car came out massively, dropped it down into LS to get the revs up and I had to do a full on power down with an arab flick to get her straight again. It was quite impressive and I am convinced that anyone else would have either killed the labourer or smashed their car up trying to avoid him.

So, thank God my quick reactions and driving abilitiy saved all, I hope him and his little group of friends have learnt a lesson and will learn the Green Cross Code.

If you were half the driver you seem to think you are you wouldn't have 'locked up' in the first place, you'd have been using a technique called 'cadence braking' and avoided completely the backend coming out massively.
Your use of 'lack of ABS' as an excuse for getting into this situation merely indicates a reliance on technology and a subsequent lack of true driving ability.

Bison Feb 1st 2009 6:42 am

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If you were half the driver you seem to think you are you wouldn't have 'locked up' in the first place, you'd have been using a technique called 'cadence braking' and avoided completely the backend coming out massively.
Your use of 'lack of ABS' as an excuse for getting into this situation merely indicates a reliance on technology and a subsequent lack of true driving ability.
I considered cadence braking my friend, I am no stranger to it, but there simply wasn't time. I am sure you can appreciate that things like this happen in a split second. Cadence braking on this occasion was definately not an option. By the way, if you read up I 'lost the back end' on purpose by implementing the 'arab flick' and basically drifting around the guy. I would say that is pretty impressive, especially in an automatic FWD car!

shiva Feb 1st 2009 6:44 am

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Originally Posted by Porky Pig (Post 7235143)
If you were half the driver you seem to think you are you wouldn't have 'locked up' in the first place, you'd have been using a technique called 'cadence braking' and avoided completely the backend coming out massively.
Your use of 'lack of ABS' as an excuse for getting into this situation merely indicates a reliance on technology and a subsequent lack of true driving ability.


thats exactly what i was going to say. ta porky.

also i would like to point out that a good driver makes an allowance for the unexpected, he should also have slowed to a point where an extreme braking /steering maneuver wasnt needed at all.....after all its not as though folk crossing the road here right in front of you is uncommon


oh and its a scandinavian flick is it not, a rally driving technique originally

Bison Feb 1st 2009 7:00 am

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oh and its a scandinavian flick is it not, a rally driving technique originally
I know it is and I even met the guy who invented it, but over here I call it the arab flick ok!

Don't give me all this BS about allowing for someone to run out in front of you on a Motorway, it's the first time it's happened to me in this country and I've been here over a year, he bolted across the road like a deer in the cotswolds ffs!

I had 20 metres and that is not much distance at all when you are coming off a motorway at speed.

At the end of the day, you might have other methods but that fact is, the guy is still alive and my car is in one piece, so I guess the way I chose in that split second worked and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

shiva Feb 1st 2009 7:10 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235188)
I know it is and I even met the guy who invented it, but over here I call it the arab flick ok!

Don't give me all this BS about allowing for someone to run out in front of you on a Motorway, it's the first time it's happened to me in this country and I've been here over a year, he bolted across the road like a deer in the cotswolds ffs!

I had 20 metres and that is not much distance at all when you are coming off a motorway at speed.

At the end of the day, you might have other methods but that fact is, the guy is still alive and my car is in one piece, so I guess the way I chose in that split second worked and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.


you said there were a few at the side of the road obviously looking to cross, is it rocket science to assume that that is what they may actually do?
and if that is the first time its happened to you then you are fortunate because it happens all the bloody time

Porky Pig Feb 1st 2009 7:19 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235153)
I considered cadence braking my friend, I am no stranger to it, but there simply wasn't time. I am sure you can appreciate that things like this happen in a split second. Cadence braking on this occasion was definately not an option. By the way, if you read up I 'lost the back end' on purpose by implementing the 'arab flick' and basically drifting around the guy. I would say that is pretty impressive, especially in an automatic FWD car!

If you are no stranger to it you'd understand the point of cadence braking is about maintaining control and avoiding lock up both of which would have enabled you to get out of such a situation it's not so much about stopping.
To argue 'there simply wasn't time' is simply spurious and shows a lack of confidence in executing this technique.

Bison Feb 1st 2009 7:32 am

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If you are no stranger to it you'd understand the point of cadence braking is about maintaining control and avoiding lock up both of which would have enabled you to get out of such a situation it's not so much about stopping.
To argue 'there simply wasn't time' is simply spurious and shows a lack of confidence in executing this technique.
So if you were doing say 100kph and there was a brick wall in front of you and you were driving a Lancer which has shit brakes instead of Brembro Grooved and Vented Discs, your saying you could avoid the wall using the cadence method? :rofl:

Joker

Porky Pig Feb 1st 2009 7:39 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235256)
So if you were doing say 100kph and there was a brick wall in front of you and you were driving a Lancer which has shit brakes instead of Brembro Grooved and Vented Discs, your saying you could avoid the wall using the cadence method? :rofl:

Joker

mmm, what a ridiculous argument, why would I be driving at 100kph with a brick wall in front of me ?
I'd be driving at a speed to suit the conditions, something it appears you have yet to learn (i.e not at 100kph in a car with shit brakes with labourers within 20 metres of you) ?

And again you have missed the point of cadence braking, it's not about stopping !!

Lorna at Vicenza Feb 1st 2009 7:44 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235256)
So if you were doing say 100kph and there was a brick wall in front of you and you were driving a Lancer which has shit brakes instead of Brembro Grooved and Vented Discs, your saying you could avoid the wall using the cadence method? :rofl:

Joker

Did you stop to give the running man a piece of your mind ?

Bison Feb 1st 2009 7:47 am

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mmm, what a ridiculous argument, why would I be driving at 100kph with a brick wall in front of me ?
I'd be driving at a speed to suit the conditions, something it appears you have yet to learn (i.e not at 100kph in a car with shit brakes with labourers within 20 metres of you) ?
Are you a complete tosser or something?

You wouldn't be driving at that speed with a brick wall in front of you (I was speaking hypothetically)

But let's say the brick wall just jumped out in front of you, would you be able to avoid it using cadence braking, probably not.

In my case the labourer was not in the middle of the road, do you think I would just carry on driving towards a person in the middle of the road without slowing down, don't be stupid.

The road was clear and the labourer bolted out at the last second, cadence braking would 100% not have avoided me hitting the labourer, it merely would have made the impact less severe.

My method however saved him from getting intimate with the front of my car and kept everybody and my car in one piece.

Cadence braking is fantastic and I agree with you that it works, but depends which situation you are in, I adapted to the situation I was in as I knew it was the only viable option.

Some drivers who are taught the cadence method and that stick to it are not necessarily adapting to the situation are they?

Bison

Bison Feb 1st 2009 7:51 am

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Did you stop to give the running man a piece of your mind ?
You know, it's funny that you say that. I actually was very calm the whole time, I just checked my mirror to see if he made it across safely and carried on driving. I think the fact that he stared death in the face had more of an impact then some guy shouting at him in a foreign language.

I did actually think 'why didn't you stop and belt seven kinds of shit out of him for nearly killing you and a bunch of other innocent road users' it might have been the new relaxed me.

Porky Pig Feb 1st 2009 8:03 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235292)
Are you a complete tosser or something?

You wouldn't be driving at that speed with a brick wall in front of you (I was speaking hypothetically)

But let's say the brick wall just jumped out in front of you, would you be able to avoid it using cadence braking, probably not.

In my case the labourer was not in the middle of the road, do you think I would just carry on driving towards a person in the middle of the road without slowing down, don't be stupid.

The road was clear and the labourer bolted out at the last second, cadence braking would 100% not have avoided me hitting the labourer, it merely would have made the impact less severe.

My method however saved him from getting intimate with the front of my car and kept everybody and my car in one piece.

Cadence braking is fantastic and I agree with you that it works, but depends which situation you are in, I adapted to the situation I was in as I knew it was the only viable option.

Some drivers who are taught the cadence method and that stick to it are not necessarily adapting to the situation are they?

Bison

No, I'm not a complete tosser or stupid but thanks for asking !
Usual pattern with a Bison driving thread, someone has the audacity to question you and you start with the insults.

Again, I drive to suit the conditions, to compare a labourer in front of you to being a brick wall is not valid, you can steer round a person which would be the point of cadence braking, that's not possible once you've locked up.

Oh and spare me any more insults please.

Bison Feb 1st 2009 8:09 am

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Again, I drive to suit the conditions, to compare a labourer in front of you to being a brick wall is not valid, you can steer round a person which would be the point of cadence braking, that's not possible once you've locked up.
It all depends on the distance to the object that's suddenly appeared in front of you! If he had stepped out a second later no braking at all locking up or cadence would have saved him.

Change the brick wall to a lamp post for arguements sake, you still would no be able to cadence brake and avoid the lamp post at such a short distance.

I am quite happy to put it to the test if you like, we can go out into the desert on a nice quiet road, we'll stick a big foam post in the road, you do cadence and i'll use my method at a set point and see who hits the post, in fact I am so confident that I will prove you wrong that I would be happy to use a concrete post.

Porky Pig Feb 1st 2009 8:15 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235352)
It all depends on the distance to the object that's suddenly appeared in front of you! If he had stepped out a second later no braking at all locking up or cadence would have saved him.

Change the brick wall to a lamp post for arguements sake, you still would no be able to cadence brake and avoid the lamp post at such a short distance.

I am quite happy to put it to the test if you like, we can go out into the desert on a nice quiet road, we'll stick a big foam post in the road, you do cadence and i'll use my method at a set point and see who hits the post, in fact I am so confident that I will prove you wrong that I would be happy to use a concrete post.

Change it to a lamp post and there is no doubt cadence braking would save you.
I have used this technique many times on the track to avoid trouble ahead.

Kim67 Feb 1st 2009 8:17 am

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Originally Posted by Porky Pig (Post 7235339)
No, I'm not a complete tosser or stupid but thanks for asking !
Usual pattern with a Bison driving thread, someone has the audacity to question you and you start with the insults.

I think every driving thread Bison starts, I will give a rundown of how many times I've mopped my kids bike tracks and footprints of the villa floor. That'll give him some idea as to how fascinated I am by his driving.

I haven't actually mopped today, better get cracking so I have something to report for the next driving thread.

Bison Feb 1st 2009 8:19 am

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Change it to a lamp post and there is no doubt cadence braking would save you.
I have used this technique many times on the track to avoid trouble ahead.
So you don't think the cars brakes and the stopping distance are factors?

Are you saying that if you were driving an escalade with brakes from a 1970 Morris Minor on you would still avoid the object using Cadence braking? I think your argument is ever so slightly floored.

B

Porky Pig Feb 1st 2009 8:27 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235377)
So you don't think the cars brakes and the stopping distance are factors?

Are you saying that if you were driving an escalade with brakes from a 1970 Morris Minor on you would still avoid the object using Cadence braking? I think your argument is ever so slightly floored.

B

Brakes and stopping distances are of course factors, and that should be taken into consideration as part of the driving conditions.

If I were driving an Escalade with 1970 Morris Minor brakes I would severely limit my speed. If you know your cars got shit brakes maybe you should limit your speed too ?

You still seem to be missing the point of cadence braking not being about stopping, it's more about maintaining control, and especially the ability to steer.

My argument is not flawed (i.e.not floored) and I said above have put it into practice many times

admon Feb 1st 2009 9:11 am

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bison you are my hero..


..said with 'tinny'

commander Feb 1st 2009 9:21 am

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sadly, i await the 7 days headline.....

yet another statistic..

Ill arrange a fitting message for your headstone...

'Bison was a clown who thought he knew everything. he didnt and now he is in little bits in this wooden box below'

If only he grew up and started acting like a man and not a boy.

goodnight vienna another muppet bites the dust..

Bison Feb 1st 2009 9:52 am

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sadly, i await the 7 days headline.....

yet another statistic..

Ill arrange a fitting message for your headstone...

'Bison was a clown who thought he knew everything. he didnt and now he is in little bits in this wooden box below'

If only he grew up and started acting like a man and not a boy.

goodnight vienna another muppet bites the dust..
Thanks mate.....:thumbup: Really nice thing to say.

I can't quite understand why you would write that, I mean ok if I was driving like a twat and speeding then fine, I would totally agree and would deserve becoming a statistic, but I was driving under the speed limit at the time and I avoided the said labourer and remained in full control the whole time.

shiva Feb 1st 2009 9:55 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235572)
Thanks mate.....:thumbup: Really nice thing to say.

I can't quite understand why you would write that, I mean ok if I was driving like a twat and speeding then fine, I would totally agree and would deserve becoming a statistic, but I was driving under the speed limit at the time and I avoided the said labourer and remained in full control the whole time.

you had to pull a scandinavian flick to avoid killing someone........................................... ......................



YOU WERE DRIVING LIKE A TWAT IF YOU WERNT YOU WOULDNT HAVE HAD TO

Bison Feb 1st 2009 9:58 am

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you had to pull a scandinavian flick to avoid killing someone........................................... ......................



YOU WERE DRIVING LIKE A TWAT IF YOU WERNT YOU WOULDNT HAVE HAD TO
How is driving in a straight line on a motorway under the speed limit driving like a twat? Go on enlighten me...

The twat in this incident was the labourer, simple. You do NOT run across a Motorway in front of moving cars.

And if driving like a twat avoids killing people, maybe everyone should drive like a twat..... is that what your saying?

commander Feb 1st 2009 9:59 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235572)
Thanks mate.....:thumbup: Really nice thing to say.

I can't quite understand why you would write that, I mean ok if I was driving like a twat and speeding then fine, I would totally agree and would deserve becoming a statistic, but I was driving under the speed limit at the time and I avoided the said labourer and remained in full control the whole time.

cause all you do is go on about how great you are at driving. Like i said on one of your previous (funnily enough similar) threads, my father has spent a career picking up remains and scraping guts of mostly young guys out of cars.

Cars driven by cocky, know it all, im an advanced driver, im better than you at driving, speed doesnt kill etc etc idiots.

It wasnt meant to be nasty, and im sure you have already disregarded it. Afterall advice is not a thing you take i would guess.

its actually tragic, and i hope i never read about it, but i wouldnt be surprised. If not to you then there will be another 'you' on the road who will meet there maker in this fashion.

shiva Feb 1st 2009 10:04 am

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Originally Posted by Bison (Post 7235589)
How is driving in a straight line on a motorway under the speed limit driving like a twat? Go on enlighten me...

The twat in this incident was the labourer, simple. You do NOT run across a Motorway in front of moving cars.

And if driving like a twat avoids killing people, maybe everyone should drive like a twat..... is that what your saying?

you saw people by the side of the road obviously about to cross, you failed to take into account any likelihood of them crossing in front of you. you then had to take extreme measures to avoid an accident when they did. where is the surprise? where is the rocket science in understanding that had you had a brain that was capable of allowing for an event to occur in the future you would have allowed yourself sufficient time to avoid said mad capped maneuvers by slowing down and allowing for an event beyond your control.


Its called good driving and since i and everyone else is wasting their time by trying explain this to you i will bow out here as your boring me now with your lack of understanding and immature thought processes

MataHari Feb 1st 2009 10:13 am

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and on and on and on it goes...

admon Feb 1st 2009 10:17 am

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Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 7235630)
and on and on and on it goes...

and you love it..

Kim67 Feb 1st 2009 10:17 am

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Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 7235630)
and on and on and on it goes...

and I still haven't mopped!!!

MataHari Feb 1st 2009 10:19 am

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Originally Posted by admon (Post 7235640)
and you love it..

yeah...as much as scooping my eyes out with a rusty spoon...

MataHari Feb 1st 2009 10:19 am

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Originally Posted by Kim67 (Post 7235641)
and I still haven't mopped!!!

what kind of mop do you use...

Spugsy Feb 1st 2009 10:20 am

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Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 7235630)
and on and on and on it goes...

where is stops....nobody knows.

Kim67 Feb 1st 2009 10:22 am

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Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 7235646)
what kind of mop do you use...

One with some long spongey bits on the end - not really into household cleaning products in a big way. I'm sure Bison finds them interesting though.

MataHari Feb 1st 2009 10:23 am

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Originally Posted by Kim67 (Post 7235653)
One with some long spongey bits on the end - not really into household cleaning products in a big way. I'm sure Bison finds them interesting though.

the purpose of my question was to move away from Bison...oh well

commander Feb 1st 2009 10:24 am

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Originally Posted by Spugsy (Post 7235647)
where is stops....nobody knows.

the morgue i would bet

Kim67 Feb 1st 2009 10:26 am

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Originally Posted by MataHari (Post 7235657)
the purpose of my question was to move away from Bison...oh well

just but boring him to tears might do the trick too

Detol floor cleaner makes the house smell nice.

MataHari Feb 1st 2009 10:27 am

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Originally Posted by Kim67 (Post 7235666)
just but boring him to tears might do the trick too

Detol floor cleaner makes the house smell nice.

oh really...not too keen on that one...but don't ask me what 'I' use...don't feel like going downstairs to find out...


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