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AKA Sorrow Floats.....

What do the good burghers of the UAE feel about euthanasia (posts pertaining to youth in Asia are disqualified), assisted suicide and the like?

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I can't for the life of me understand why it's illegal in any civilised country.

The end stages of many diseases are utterly horrifying for the sufferer and their families. If someone who is still in control of their mental faculties decides that they neither wish to suffer any more or go through the worst of it to come and also wish to spare their loved ones then why in a so called civilised society should we make it illegal for these people to end or avoid the suffering to come for themselves and of those they love.

Frankly it's utterly barbaric to legally force life and suffering on individuals because of the states (largely religiously based) backward thinking.

There is an almost childishly simple solution.

An independent doctors or doctors plus a lawyer (all separate and not already involved with the individual) should be able to visit someone who's suffering and ascertain that they are a) in control of their faculties and b) wish to end their suffering.
If both conditions exist then the sate should legally empower the relatives and any doctor to then facilitate an assisted suicide.

We have had some very high profile cases of late where some very erudite and passionate individuals have argued in an extremely clear and we'll constructed way that they are suffering, that that suffering will get worse and that they wish to die and need assistance in doing so and that they wish to see a change in the law to ensure that those who help them are not committing an illegal act.

How any reasonable, sane and conscientious individual can argue against that utterly baffles me.

I have an agreement with a member of my family who is very likely to be in the above category at some point in the future. This agreement was not come to lightly by either of us but my promise to one I love is that when the time comes I will not let them suffer beyond what they can reasonably tolerate.
By even writing that I have potentially provided the future means to my conviction. I care not as the law is currently patently ridiculous and if that law contributes to someone I loves suffering at some point then I fully intend to ignore it and damn the consequences.

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We've covered this topic a few times in the past and as before I am fully in agreement with Shiva's post above.

When our pets are old, ill and suffering we do the kind thing and give them a pain free and peaceful death, so we ought to be able to permit rational adults to make that choice for themselves.

There used to be the concept of a 'good death' where someone was permitted to die peacefully having said their good byes. We ought to reconsider that idea rather than forcing people, and their loved ones, to suffer.

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What about Eugenics ? Only the fit should breed ! And while wqe are at it what do you all think about "Race Suicide" ?

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...part1/f4.shtml

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Neither has any place in a rational debate among sane individuals

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Agreed. Except........what do you do about families which rely on state benefits yet produce 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or more sprogs? Cutting benefits harms the kids (and its not their fault they were conceived), and targetting benefits just at the kids provides no dis-incentive for the parents.

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Not a subject for rational debate by sane people ? That is what I feel about Euthanasia.

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So what about people with mental illnesses? Chomical depression, bipolar, and what have you. They don’t necessarily suffer from physical pain but rather mental, which is equally painful and many of them are suicidal! Should the doctor then have the power to decide who can bare it and who can’t and therefore who can die and who can’t?

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:D


Well Shiva aboved mentioned people who are of sane mind, so the argument for or against assisted suicide could be split into those who are for it providing the person is of sane mind , and those who think any and all adults regardless of mental state should decide what is best for them.

I'm definitely in the camp that says it must be legal for those of sane mind undergoing debilitating illness without hope of respite. Regarding depressed persons, I'm not sure on that.

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I'd like to hear your views then as so far this thread is very one sided

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A key difference is depression and bi polar disease are very treatable.
End stage MS for example isn't along with so many of the devastating neuro degenerative diseases and often sufferers face an agonising death over a prolonged period.

The real key is where there is no treatment and hope for recovery then the sufferer deserves the right in a civilised land to choose to avoid that pain.

The hippocratic oath binds doctors to do no harm, yet by forcing people to live in these cases they cause immense harm, arguably far more harm than a painless death.

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Why do you ask?

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:goodpost:

I have the same agreement with my Mother.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...sia-death.html

"A survey released on Wednesday has added to debate after finding that three quarters of Belgians support the euthanasia of children with incurable diseases, even without their consent."

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on a side note, I discovered last night that my cousin is starting chemotherapy for his 5 year old DOG. Absolute nuts. I wonder what his views on euthanasia are!

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It will probably look quite funny if it looses all its hair.

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Since he is clearly willing to spend time effort money and emotions on a dog id suspect he may be quite enlightened in his views on it in the case of non treatable illnesses

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I agree with Meow, we don't let our animals suffer in pain so why should we let humans. I remember watching a documentary about that place in Switzerland, one man who was old and suffering with a terminal illness decided to go down that route, it was terrible to watch but he had his entire family with him, it was rather emotional. The recent story line on Coronation Street has stirred up a lot of talk as well, Hayley decided to end her life prematurely before the cancer did it for her. It may just be soap world but a lot of research goes into these story lines especially when they can affect so many people.

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Coronation Street isn't real BC.

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Ah, but it's probably more real and emotionally engaging to a larger number of people than a few lines of op-ed or a newsreel...

My suspicion is that whilst the predicted increase in life-expectancy (in European countries at least) shall probably come to pass, the increase in quality of those nether-years shall not keep pace.

If secular society accepts that choosing to end one's life is not a sin against some creator, then surely it must be acceptable for a person of sound mind to make that choice?

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Hello u,

I agree,anyone possessed of compos mentis should have freedom of choice.

In all probability,most scenarios would involve cancer or other terminal illness
wherein the individual:
chooses to undergo treatment in the hope of prolonging life

OR

chooses not to - based on fear or futility,perhaps even apathy having
lived a long and fulfilled life.


It seems perfectly rational to me that a further choice should be available.

'Tick box if you've had enough and it's Goodnight Vienna from you'


We can be a selfish lot sometimes IMHO.Subsequent to initial grieving, some tend to mourn
the loss of society as a material loss so to speak 'don't leave me', 'can't go on without you '-
Concerned with how their life will change rather than respect the wishes of the dying or
fully address their pain - often becoming 'aggrieved' at their departure.
No offence intended,just my thoughts.

Those who wish to,should be allowed to 'go softly into that good night'.
Just saying like....

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A friend of a friend here just succumbed to CJD.

The account I was given would make it difficult to argue against euthanasia.

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Hello you ewe! Been missing ya!

In my imagination, it is simply a matter of societal inertia. By which I mean, were we all born with virgin minds and without the residual influence of approx 100 years of parent tapes (and our parent's parent tapes) - then as a whole we would be less hung-up upon forming social mores on the sole evidence of our life experience.

I'm not a fan of the Socratic notion of eternally true notions of good and evil (it was the one low point of that 12 yrs a slave movie when Brad Pitt came on as the enlightened vision of playing the White Man).

It seems that for our time and state of technology, youthinasia oughtta be a choice.... May not be so is our sons and daughters time. That's OK. What's most ethical is as slippery and ephemeral as life itself....