Bahtatboy

I didn't say or imply they were, and if you inferred it you need to re-read what I wrote. I just find the silence about numerous atrocities done in Allah's name incomprehensible when compared with the uproar about other acts(Norm's example of a cartoon in particular).

Again, I'm not singling out Muslims. The myopia of the Roman Catholic church's actions in sub-Saharan Africa should draw condemnation from other Christians but, to my knowledge, doesn't. However, proscribing condom use is several steps away from pulling a trigger, despite what Freddie sang.

Bipat

The situation of Syria is different in that it is President Assad himself the initial problem, not the creation of another State that has created refugees etc. (Many would agree faults on both sides in that conflict).
Hundreds of Muslims took aid to Syria in convoys, Muslim doctors went.

shiva

Most of the views in this thread come from people who live and work alongside Muslims everyday and who live in Islamic nations. I'd say the views are not in fact formed by rabid newspapers but but personal and direct experience

Bipat

Absolutely "Islamic nations".
I have lived for decades in a country with the world's 3rd largest number of Muslims, but Muslims of varying groups and degrees of strictness, (and a country which also suffers from terrorists) and so possibly get a different view from yourself.

Bahtatboy

Bollocks it isn't in respect that there's atrocities of the same gravity as those committed in WW2 being committed by Muslims in the name of Allah and the Muslim community is virtually silent. Don't go ****ing splitting hairs about who started it, look at what's happening.

redShark

So basically you are not against indoctrination of children in general but you are against religious indoctrination. Fair enough, but judging by your manners, it seems that your parents have missed out on indoctrinating you with the manner that says, to make a point in a discussion you don’t need to be ill-mannered.

redShark

The reason why you always behave like that with me is obviously because of your felling of being a lesser man than me, as you have never been able to counter any argument I’ve made so far. That is why you resort to this kind of street language, apparently something you’d picked up from that ghetto you came from.

Not only that, you have also failed to prove that you are a man, a man who is capable of defending himself, his family, or his country when I made a claim about you, see this thread which you so shamefully and cowardly avoided.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/sand-.../#post11284131


I am also not going to trade swear words with you since you are obviously used to being sweared at all the time, to the extent that you have lost what it takes a decent person to be insulted, and that’s why you now fell immune when insulting others.

But let me tell this, throughout my life I have dealt wide verities of people, ranging from the intellectuals where I used my brain power to deal with, all the way down to the dung eaters and maggots, where my brain power was not needed, I just stump on them and kick them out of the way just like dirt.

And speaking of dirt, if ever Scotland is going to be independent, the first task it will have to do then is clean off the clinging dirt

redShark

What I always try to avoid discussing in this forum (unless there is a very good reason for) is politics, primarily because of the sheer naivety most of you have about the Middle East, which is not surprising if someone’s main source of information is the western media (specially the BBC). Also, on my part, I simply don’t have much time on my hand to indulge in these kinds of discussions, as I am more interested in ethics rather than politics (something you don not seem able to differentiate between). Besides, given the wide spectrum of people’s qualities on this forum, ranging from the decent ones all the way down to the scums, I have on many occasions shied away from indulging in a discussion and expressing a viewpoint simply to avoid the filth that could come out from the latter.

Regarding your question about ISIS, can you categorically deny that this organization is not a British invention, produced to infiltrate the jihadists in this region? Given the history of how the English dealt with their foes, I tend to be very skeptic of that organization and their origin. Just look back at how the English dealt with the IRA and you’ll see where I am coming from. The third top man in the IRA who even helped plot attacks on mainland Britain was actually an English spy! He is now living somewhere in the world after been given a false identity and smuggled out of Ireland. That’s why I am saying, keep politics away from the discussion because it is a dirty business.

Before you complain about why Muslims not reacting to the ISIS atrocities, why don’t you just ask your governments why don’t they just take them on? A few of days of air campaign can easily wipe them out. You see, your governments do not want that because that would disturb the balance of power in the region, therefore the ISIS card should remain on the table for future negotiations. Today in the news, the US made air raids and managed to dislodge ISIS from the Dam area ONLY, why? Obviously because there are economical reasons for that raid, nothing more!!

As for those who talk about Muslims not condemning atrocities, they obviously are not in touch with reality. They have no clue what and how many Muslim organizations there are in the UK and what they write or publish.

redShark

You talk well Bipat, any chance knowing your religious affiliation, if you have any?

Bahtatboy

What a twat.

Bahtatboy

My time's coming, watch this space.

Bipat

With respect, I think President Assad action was more about power than anything else. (He can call it in the name of anyone you like.)
As I said above, there are many Muslim based, relief actions for Syria in the UK.

Bipat

Are you saying only Muslims should protest on behalf of Muslims??? Only Sikhs should be horrified at the fate Afghani Sikhs locked up in the container at Tilbury docks. Or could you not believe it is people protesting on behalf of others regardless of faith, nationality, class etc.
(I find that on expat sites it is the white middle class people who are able to live abroad who do most of the condemning, which having discovered the forum was a great surprise to myself)

redShark

You know something, ever since my first confrontation with you on this forum, the more your expressed your opinion about Islam, the Middle east, the more you exposed your shallowness of thinking and your profound incompetence in being able to make sense of the world you currently live in. That is not a big problem since not all men are of equal strength, but what intrigues me is your insistence on choosing that picture of a lion to represent your quality which is quite unfair to the reputation of lions. Given your apparent limited comprehension capabilities, but at the same time, your unique ability to quickly hop from one subject to another I’d have expected some modesty from you by changing that picture of a lion into a picture of a different animal, the one that is very small in size but with similar hoping characteristics. but off course, you don’t seem to take a note of those observations. Therefore to find a common solution that would satisfy both you and the authentic lions I’ve come up with a nickname for you, something that will be fair for both, you and the lions, I am going to call you the Vegetarian lion.

I will let you into this secret, Mr. unauthentic lion. Some time ago I stopped coming to this forum because I was very busy with life. I then received a message from a member here asking me why have I left the forum and requesting me to come back and not to be bothered with the noisy idiots here as, according to him, I apparently seem to have many silent followers here. We soon became friends and soon many other members started messaging me and exchanging jokes about what they called the idiots. They specifically told me to have ago at specific individuals here using my style of bashing because they really enjoyed it. In fact they even sent me a list of names they wanted to have a laugh at and your name surprisingly enough was the second on the list (the other idiot was the first). But I told them that my aim in this forum was not to bash at any one unless he/she deserves it. I'd rather like discussing ideas and ideologies because human ideologies are like hidden treasures that can be discoverable through debates and discussions.

But you know what, who knows, I might change my mind because bashing at the vulnerable actually does make the show really enjoyable.

That Scotish idiot is a real trouble, don’t you think so, this is a second time someone comes to his aid and end up himself getting into trouble! What a bunch of *(%^$£

shiva

You have yet to answer any question asked of you in any thread by any poster

You refuse to answer the question "have you even visited an Islamic country"

You are more blinkered and wilfully ignorant than any ****ing idiot I have ever met

Frankly you annoy the shit out of me with your constant and never ****ing ending reference to a religion you are a foreigner to and one who seems to misunderstand it and most of its non "European" adherents

I swear at you because I can, because those words are in fact ancient parts of the language and because they carry an unmistakable sense of annoyance. They also very conveniently act as an insult that is fully intended to both your language and religious sensitivities.

So allow me to close by telling you to go **** yourself, preferably with something like a cactus