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Old Dec 4th 2008, 6:17 am
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5284173.ece

Skiing in Iran doesn't sound such a good idea now

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They've been saying that for about two years now...
 
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They've been saying that for about two years now...
What; Skiing in Iran doesn't sound such a good idea now.
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So if Israel take Iran, the U.S. holds Afghanistan and India takes Pakistan...
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So if Israel take Iran, the U.S. holds Afghanistan and India takes Pakistan...
Careful now...

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Bollox...Israel doesn´t have that kind of long distance capacity unless the Americans give them a helping hand which de facto drags the whole region into war and makes Iran close the Hormuz strait in retaliation (most likely) while 120.000 American soldiers suddenly realise that they are within the Iranian striking distance with no way out except Turkey.

So are we to believe that Obama would like to face his voters and explain this mess while Oil suddenly is hitting $500 PBL which basically would break the back of the American economy for decades.
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Bollox...Israel doesn´t have that kind of long distance capacity unless the Americans give them a helping hand which de facto drags the whole region into war and makes Iran close the Hormuz strait in retaliation (most likely) while 120.000 American soldiers suddenly realise that they are within the Iranian striking distance with no way out except Turkey.

So are we to believe that Obama would like to face his voters and explain this mess while Oil suddenly is hitting $500 PBL which basically would break the back of the American economy for decades.
A similar mindset prevailed amongst some over the possibility of them bombing Iraq's nuclear reactor; but, not being aware of the impossibility of so doing, they went ahead and bombed it.

It's also said that it is aerodynamically impossible for bumble bees to fly.

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Israel doesn´t have that kind of long distance capacity.
How far can an F16 get on a tank of fuel carrying a full compliment of laser guided bombs?

I think Israel could "have" Iran in a fight, the only problem would be what to do after lunch . Could end up with the Iraq problem but worse TBH.
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How far can an F16 get on a tank of fuel carrying a full compliment of laser guided bombs?

I think Israel could "have" Iran in a fight, the only problem would be what to do after lunch . Could end up with the Iraq problem but worse TBH.
Israel already did a strike on Iran in the past...
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Iran is a lot farther from Israel than Iraq — and the targets are not conveniently clustered like at Osirak. They’re spread across Iran — a country nearly four times the size of California (or neighboring Iraq). Since key targets are out of range of Israel’s ballistic missiles, the routing of strike packages would also present significant challenges. This raid would be more difficult that the Osirak raid in which IDF fighters slipped with impunity along the Jordanian and Saudi borders. Besides the most likely flight skirting Jordan and Saudi Arabia en route to Iran, IDF fighters could also go through or along the borders of Turkey (a friendly country) or Syria (a nonfriendly country), or a combination thereof, pushing flight routes of about 1,200 miles.

Secrecy would be a problem, too. While Israel has good operational security — witness how much is still unknown about the Syrian raid — an airstrike would require an armada of fighter, tanker, airborne early warning and electronic intelligence aircraft, which would light up radars across the region.

Even an uncoordinated, surprise Israeli air raid would likely quickly be known to others, especially the U.S., which “owns” the airspace in the Middle East and the Persian Gulf with its vast array of land, sea and air platforms and sensors. (Considering the geography, the possibility of unintended engagements between U.S. and Israeli forces almost eliminates the possibility of no notice being given to U.S. command authorities before a strike is launched.)

Many of the potential targets in the Iranian nuclear set, like the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, are also hardened, located near population centers and even buried as far down as 70 feet below ground. Plus, the Iranians are not likely to take this lying down. In addition to ground-based air defenses, including SA-5s and I-Hawk, the Iranian Air Force will throw an assortment of aging air assets at the Israelis, including MiG-29s, Su-24/25s, F-14s, F-4s, F-5s, F-7s and F-1s.

Another issue that has to be taken into account by Israeli policymakers is that an IDF strike on Iran almost certainly would bring Iranian retaliation in a number of forms against Israel and its interests in the region — and beyond. Israel could expect Iranian ballistic-missile attacks against large cities such as Haifa and Tel Aviv
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Iran is a lot farther from Israel than Iraq — and the targets are not conveniently clustered like at Osirak. They’re spread across Iran — a country nearly four times the size of California (or neighboring Iraq). Since key targets are out of range of Israel’s ballistic missiles, the routing of strike packages would also present significant challenges. This raid would be more difficult that the Osirak raid in which IDF fighters slipped with impunity along the Jordanian and Saudi borders. Besides the most likely flight skirting Jordan and Saudi Arabia en route to Iran, IDF fighters could also go through or along the borders of Turkey (a friendly country) or Syria (a nonfriendly country), or a combination thereof, pushing flight routes of about 1,200 miles.

Secrecy would be a problem, too. While Israel has good operational security — witness how much is still unknown about the Syrian raid — an airstrike would require an armada of fighter, tanker, airborne early warning and electronic intelligence aircraft, which would light up radars across the region.

Even an uncoordinated, surprise Israeli air raid would likely quickly be known to others, especially the U.S., which “owns” the airspace in the Middle East and the Persian Gulf with its vast array of land, sea and air platforms and sensors. (Considering the geography, the possibility of unintended engagements between U.S. and Israeli forces almost eliminates the possibility of no notice being given to U.S. command authorities before a strike is launched.)

Many of the potential targets in the Iranian nuclear set, like the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, are also hardened, located near population centers and even buried as far down as 70 feet below ground. Plus, the Iranians are not likely to take this lying down. In addition to ground-based air defenses, including SA-5s and I-Hawk, the Iranian Air Force will throw an assortment of aging air assets at the Israelis, including MiG-29s, Su-24/25s, F-14s, F-4s, F-5s, F-7s and F-1s.

Another issue that has to be taken into account by Israeli policymakers is that an IDF strike on Iran almost certainly would bring Iranian retaliation in a number of forms against Israel and its interests in the region — and beyond. Israel could expect Iranian ballistic-missile attacks against large cities such as Haifa and Tel Aviv
I always thought Israel also had long range ballistic missiles tat can easily reach deep into Iran...
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I always thought Israel also had long range ballistic missiles tat can easily reach deep into Iran...
Everyone and his mom got those...Iran could reach Europe with a Shahab-3 no probs.

The point is..unless you use nuclear warheads you simply will not do much damage on reinforced and walled installations.
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Bollox...Israel doesn´t have that kind of long distance capacity unless the Americans give them a helping hand which de facto drags the whole region into war and makes Iran close the Hormuz strait in retaliation (most likely) while 120.000 American soldiers suddenly realise that they are within the Iranian striking distance with no way out except Turkey.

So are we to believe that Obama would like to face his voters and explain this mess while Oil suddenly is hitting $500 PBL which basically would break the back of the American economy for decades.
Israel does have the capacity but I think this is all sabre rattling - Israel historically only attacked other states when it was directly threatened...I don't think Iran would be stupid enough to attack Israel and Israel wouldn't be stupid enough to attack Iran when it's currently in preliminary diplomatic negotiations to with Syria and co for peace.

Of course, you never can tell with the middle east!

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I always thought Israel also had long range ballistic missiles tat can easily reach deep into Iran...
They do...they have bunker busters and they also have nuclear submarines which can launch nukes or other unpleasant things anywhere they like...

...of course if the Iranian leadership were to stop calling for the destruction of Israel and having it's "death to America" day parades it might stop some of the more jittery Israeli military leadership from planning a well co-ordinated strike on anything important in Iran and save everyone a lot of grief.

Who knows, the Iranians leaders might wake up one day and remember their ancestors were staunch allies of Israel way back in the day before they became Muslims but that would probably be asking too much of the Ayatollahs

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Israel does have the capacity but I think this is all sabre rattling - Israel historically only attacked other states when it was directly threatened...I don't think Iran would be stupid enough to attack Israel and Israel wouldn't be stupid enough to attack Iran when it's currently in preliminary diplomatic negotiations to with Syria and co for peace.

Of course, you never can tell with the middle east!

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The incursions into and occupations of south Lebanon was because Israel was directly threatened?
The continued occupation of the Golan heights and the West bank is of course a sore subject but it gives Iran and its allies justification for being staunchly anti-isrealic.

But the subject is rather moot anyway..The knowledge on how to make nuclear weapons are out in the open and we might expect several countries in the area to have the possibility to make them soon enough.
Apart from Iran we also got nuclear plants in Saudi and UAE at the planning stage.
And if you own/run nuclear plants you always have the option of changing your mind later...
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