Islam's war on freedom....
Feb 15th 2009, 11:43 am
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Feb 15th 2009, 1:20 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
Pascal's Wager - dearie me - that really is an old chesnut.
Which religious folks would be right though? There have been shitloads of religions and they can't all be right - therefore I think the odds of a non-believer being treated sympathetically over a religious person is quite high. If there was a god (which there isn't) he is more likely to look favourably on someone who did good for the sake of their fellow man, rather than someone who did good for purely selfish reasons (to get into an imagined heaven).
Which religious folks would be right though? There have been shitloads of religions and they can't all be right - therefore I think the odds of a non-believer being treated sympathetically over a religious person is quite high. If there was a god (which there isn't) he is more likely to look favourably on someone who did good for the sake of their fellow man, rather than someone who did good for purely selfish reasons (to get into an imagined heaven).
Yes, there was an Eve-type character. Hawwa (Eve) was the wife of the first human and first prophet Aadam.
As for Pascal- I don't know about that tbh; it was my own way of trying to clarify what I meant: that I don't feel like I am wasting my life. What am I missing out on, seriously? I can do more things than I 'can't' do, I'm living a normal family life, etc.
As for proof; most people who ask this haven't actually read the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the most important proof, obviously, at it is the tangible result of 23 years of revelation to Muhammad and most of the questions asked here are answered in it or in books of exegesis. I have my own personal experiences which to me prove that I what I'm doing is worthwhile.
Tbh, I don't say how you can say it's not true unless you have actually read it.
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Feb 15th 2009, 1:56 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
if people here are entitled to their opinion and have the right to say it loudly don't you think i have the same rights?
some people in here said in many threads that they don't believe in God (that's up to them)
some people in here said they think they are descended from monkeys (that's up to them)
and i am here simply entitled to say what my opinion is (it is up to me)
don't you think so
please don't tell me that you will make a complain about my post here cause it will look like you are a little child who keeps going to the teacher complaining about others every while and then .. why don't you transfere from this school lol
some people in here said in many threads that they don't believe in God (that's up to them)
some people in here said they think they are descended from monkeys (that's up to them)
and i am here simply entitled to say what my opinion is (it is up to me)
don't you think so
please don't tell me that you will make a complain about my post here cause it will look like you are a little child who keeps going to the teacher complaining about others every while and then
.. why don't you transfere from this school lol
Feb 15th 2009, 2:14 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
And there was me thinking I thought of that one myself! :curse:
Yes, there was an Eve-type character. Hawwa (Eve) was the wife of the first human and first prophet Aadam.
As for Pascal- I don't know about that tbh; it was my own way of trying to clarify what I meant: that I don't feel like I am wasting my life. What am I missing out on, seriously? I can do more things than I 'can't' do, I'm living a normal family life, etc.
As for proof; most people who ask this haven't actually read the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the most important proof, obviously, at it is the tangible result of 23 years of revelation to Muhammad and most of the questions asked here are answered in it or in books of exegesis. I have my own personal experiences which to me prove that I what I'm doing is worthwhile.
Tbh, I don't say how you can say it's not true unless you have actually read it.
Yes, there was an Eve-type character. Hawwa (Eve) was the wife of the first human and first prophet Aadam.
As for Pascal- I don't know about that tbh; it was my own way of trying to clarify what I meant: that I don't feel like I am wasting my life. What am I missing out on, seriously? I can do more things than I 'can't' do, I'm living a normal family life, etc.
As for proof; most people who ask this haven't actually read the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the most important proof, obviously, at it is the tangible result of 23 years of revelation to Muhammad and most of the questions asked here are answered in it or in books of exegesis. I have my own personal experiences which to me prove that I what I'm doing is worthwhile.
Tbh, I don't say how you can say it's not true unless you have actually read it.
Hoe does reading what is written in a book make it true?
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Feb 15th 2009, 2:21 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
It doesn't make it true. 
I mean how can you say it isn't true if you don't even know what it says.
It's like saying something tastes nasty when you've never even eaten it.
I mean how can you say it isn't true if you don't even know what it says.
It's like saying something tastes nasty when you've never even eaten it.
Feb 15th 2009, 2:40 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
Well, for the record I have read most of it (you shouldn't make such assumptions) and I still don't believe it. I have also read hundreds of other books, if not thousands, and didn't believe them either, although Hitchhikers Guide was very plausible...
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Feb 15th 2009, 2:47 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
It was a very general 'you', not you personally.
Did you read it in Arabic or English? If in English, which translation?
Did you read it in Arabic or English? If in English, which translation?
Feb 15th 2009, 2:50 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
English. Surely they are roughly the same? The basic tenets will be similar in any language.
Please don't try and tell me that reading a different version will make me believe. It won't.
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Please don't try and tell me that reading a different version will make me believe. It won't.
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Feb 15th 2009, 3:07 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
Who's making assumptions now?
I don't give a monkey's if you believe or not.
Why do people ASSUME that all Muslims are out on a recruitment campaign?Just discussing no more, no less.
ETA; IMO, there's a lot more to it than basic tenets; they aren't actually the biggest selling point.
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Feb 15th 2009, 4:12 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
Its a book of its times, born of ignorance with a healthy dose of supernatural bribery and blackmail. But hey that's just my opinion.
Feb 15th 2009, 4:47 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
I've read it, it's not true. Is merely a rehash of the Old and New Testament with some Greek and Hindu philosophy thrown in served up as a revelation, if it was released these days someone would be crying plagiarism.
Its a book of its times, born of ignorance with a healthy dose of supernatural bribery and blackmail. But hey that's just my opinion.
Its a book of its times, born of ignorance with a healthy dose of supernatural bribery and blackmail. But hey that's just my opinion.
So do you think Muhammad made it all up then?
