Islam's war on freedom....
Feb 13th 2009, 5:59 am
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Islam's war on freedom....
.... it's Pat Condell, the voice of the people..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq7t...4A22D&index=43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq7t...4A22D&index=43
Feb 13th 2009, 8:48 am
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
Free speech, so sacred we forgot to enshrine it in law ourselves? 
There is a whiff of hypocrisy about that TBH.
There always has been a taboo about questioning religion and associated beliefs (With the exception perhaps of Buddhists and Hindu who usually seem more than happy to ask very difficult questions of their faith). There is a reason they call it "faith" not "logic". As many folk will know criticizing religion from a factual standpoint is difficult, perhaps because there is no polite way to in effect say "I think you've wasted your life, and here is why...".
However regardless this is exactly what has happened over the last fifty years. It's religion under seige and many are not happy that this new movement away from traditional conservative belief systems, if not away away from religion itself. You'll see more of this protectionism in the future and, I suspect, in many places the price that will be paid will be in innocent peoples lives in the not too distant future.
If you stop indoctrinating children and start educating them then you will have a problem, they will start to ask questions of their faith that are very difficult to answer and look elsewhere for answers to compare. If you want to propagate a conservative belief system in a country you wouldn't pick an educated society, you would probably want one with at least undereducated women. Start getting kids into schools that preached a syllabus as devoid of modern Sciences, Cosmology, Advanced mathematics and English literature. Then you want to stop the voices of reason or those who "dare" to ask questions. See a pattern?
A time of reckoning is upon us and a critical part of my says it's not religion trying to save sinners but sinners trying to save religion.
That's all, now I need a stiff drink...
There is a whiff of hypocrisy about that TBH.There always has been a taboo about questioning religion and associated beliefs (With the exception perhaps of Buddhists and Hindu who usually seem more than happy to ask very difficult questions of their faith). There is a reason they call it "faith" not "logic". As many folk will know criticizing religion from a factual standpoint is difficult, perhaps because there is no polite way to in effect say "I think you've wasted your life, and here is why...".
However regardless this is exactly what has happened over the last fifty years. It's religion under seige and many are not happy that this new movement away from traditional conservative belief systems, if not away away from religion itself. You'll see more of this protectionism in the future and, I suspect, in many places the price that will be paid will be in innocent peoples lives in the not too distant future.
If you stop indoctrinating children and start educating them then you will have a problem, they will start to ask questions of their faith that are very difficult to answer and look elsewhere for answers to compare. If you want to propagate a conservative belief system in a country you wouldn't pick an educated society, you would probably want one with at least undereducated women. Start getting kids into schools that preached a syllabus as devoid of modern Sciences, Cosmology, Advanced mathematics and English literature. Then you want to stop the voices of reason or those who "dare" to ask questions. See a pattern?
A time of reckoning is upon us and a critical part of my says it's not religion trying to save sinners but sinners trying to save religion.
That's all, now I need a stiff drink...
Feb 13th 2009, 11:07 am
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
.... it's Pat Condell, the voice of the people..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq7t...4A22D&index=43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq7t...4A22D&index=43
Feb 13th 2009, 4:12 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
.... it's Pat Condell, the voice of the people..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq7t...4A22D&index=43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq7t...4A22D&index=43
We need more people like him - well maybe not exactly like him but you know what I mean
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Feb 13th 2009, 4:24 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
Watched a few of his videos. He doesn't just have it in for Muslims and has upset some fundamentalist Christians too.
He does make some good points but is prone to making crass populist generalisations as well. He used to be a stand up comedian, I think.
By the by, even supposed liberals are getting sick of religion being above criticism. Johann Hari writes in the Independent and has caused a bit of a stir with this article, which was also published in India and upset some people:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...s-1517789.html
He does make some good points but is prone to making crass populist generalisations as well. He used to be a stand up comedian, I think.
By the by, even supposed liberals are getting sick of religion being above criticism. Johann Hari writes in the Independent and has caused a bit of a stir with this article, which was also published in India and upset some people:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...s-1517789.html
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Feb 14th 2009, 5:58 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
Say if a person's religion turns out to be untrue. After they die, there's no heaven/hell/whatever.
What have they lost out on? They have still lived a good moral life etc.
On the other hand, you get a non-religious person, who when they die, finds out that 'oops bloody hell, those religious folks were right after all!'
Who's in the deeper sh*t?
Feb 14th 2009, 6:00 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
I don't get that one. How have they wasted their life?
Say if a person's religion turns out to be untrue. After they die, there's no heaven/hell/whatever.
What have they lost out on? They have still lived a good moral life etc.
On the other hand, you get a non-religious person, who when they die, finds out that 'oops bloody hell, those religious folks were right after all!'
Who's in the deeper sh*t?
Say if a person's religion turns out to be untrue. After they die, there's no heaven/hell/whatever.
What have they lost out on? They have still lived a good moral life etc.
On the other hand, you get a non-religious person, who when they die, finds out that 'oops bloody hell, those religious folks were right after all!'
Who's in the deeper sh*t?
Feb 14th 2009, 6:42 pm
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
I don't get that one. How have they wasted their life?
Say if a person's religion turns out to be untrue. After they die, there's no heaven/hell/whatever.
What have they lost out on? They have still lived a good moral life etc.
On the other hand, you get a non-religious person, who when they die, finds out that 'oops bloody hell, those religious folks were right after all!'
Who's in the deeper sh*t?
Say if a person's religion turns out to be untrue. After they die, there's no heaven/hell/whatever.
What have they lost out on? They have still lived a good moral life etc.
On the other hand, you get a non-religious person, who when they die, finds out that 'oops bloody hell, those religious folks were right after all!'
Who's in the deeper sh*t?
Which religious folks would be right though? There have been shitloads of religions and they can't all be right - therefore I think the odds of a non-believer being treated sympathetically over a religious person is quite high. If there was a god (which there isn't) he is more likely to look favourably on someone who did good for the sake of their fellow man, rather than someone who did good for purely selfish reasons (to get into an imagined heaven).
Feb 15th 2009, 4:45 am
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
I don't get that one. How have they wasted their life?
Say if a person's religion turns out to be untrue. After they die, there's no heaven/hell/whatever.
What have they lost out on? They have still lived a good moral life etc.
On the other hand, you get a non-religious person, who when they die, finds out that 'oops bloody hell, those religious folks were right after all!'
Who's in the deeper sh*t?
Say if a person's religion turns out to be untrue. After they die, there's no heaven/hell/whatever.
What have they lost out on? They have still lived a good moral life etc.
On the other hand, you get a non-religious person, who when they die, finds out that 'oops bloody hell, those religious folks were right after all!'
Who's in the deeper sh*t?
To summerise how does said person know their particular religion is true. What of Odin is the real deity and all monotheists are going to be punished when they die?
How can anyone know which of the thousands of deities and religions is the right one?
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Feb 15th 2009, 7:19 am
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
there is only one God who created everything.
who sent messengres to people to worship him the way he wants and according to the way explained by those messengres.
he sent messengres to different nations, tribes group of people in the past until the last messnger was sent to everyone with the last holy book.
there is only one god.
there is only one messngre to be followed.
there is only one unchanged or modified holy book.
weather people like it or not but many people are becoming muslimes everywhere. maybe what bin ladin and the rest of the stuiped terorists did is slowing the process but many will join islam because they want to and because they will believe in islam.
who sent messengres to people to worship him the way he wants and according to the way explained by those messengres.
he sent messengres to different nations, tribes group of people in the past until the last messnger was sent to everyone with the last holy book.
there is only one god.
there is only one messngre to be followed.
there is only one unchanged or modified holy book.
weather people like it or not but many people are becoming muslimes everywhere. maybe what bin ladin and the rest of the stuiped terorists did is slowing the process but many will join islam because they want to and because they will believe in islam.
Feb 15th 2009, 7:22 am
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
there is only one God who created everything.
who sent messengres to people to worship him the way he wants and according to the way explained by those messengres.
he sent messengres to different nations, tribes group of people in the past until the last messnger was sent to everyone with the last holy book.
there is only one god.
there is only one messngre to be followed.
there is only one unchanged or modified holy book.
weather people like it or not but many people are becoming muslimes everywhere. maybe what bin ladin and the rest of the stuiped terorists did is slowing the process but many will join islam because they want to and because they will believe in islam.
who sent messengres to people to worship him the way he wants and according to the way explained by those messengres.
he sent messengres to different nations, tribes group of people in the past until the last messnger was sent to everyone with the last holy book.
there is only one god.
there is only one messngre to be followed.
there is only one unchanged or modified holy book.
weather people like it or not but many people are becoming muslimes everywhere. maybe what bin ladin and the rest of the stuiped terorists did is slowing the process but many will join islam because they want to and because they will believe in islam.
Gotta hand it to him, he was smart, that guy....
Feb 15th 2009, 7:40 am
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Re: Islam's war on freedom....
show me just one who did what Mohammad did and what did he present to the world.