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Old Feb 20th 2012, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Paracletus
I always find it amusing how there is only one solution to how the work should, could and forever will work...

Remember who said this?

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
Yes, and he also said, "Education is dangerous - Every educated person is a future enemyā€¯. Right on all counts. Although I'm not so keen on, "Shoot first and ask questions later".
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Old Feb 20th 2012, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by OriginalSunshine
they say sept-oct, which means they'll take action before the summer. after all one doesnt say to "the enemy" : *hey chaps, we're coming to get you at noon on thursday, make sure you're in, eh? there's a good fellow*
The best way is to keep appearing to negotiate, wait for them to line their tanks and ships up, and then strike before a formal declaration of war. Would America do that, or would they declare first their intention?
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Default Re: Iran - Growing view that strike, by Israel or US, will happen

Originally Posted by Paracletus
I always find it amusing how there is only one solution to how the work should, could and forever will work...

Remember who said this?

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
It's been a while since anyone has bothered to allude that I hold similar views to the Nazis. I almost miss such ridiculous assertions.

Force stopped the Nazis by the way...nothing else would have. If you have a different view by all means express it and state why you think you can stop someone bent on world domination by violent means can be stopped by anything other than a bullet, bomb or the threat of using force. Either way force is involved.

This is a very simple concept that transcends political views. Most nations have employed it to serve their interests and stop being overrun by others.

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Old Feb 22nd 2012, 2:18 am
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It's been a while since anyone has bothered to allude that I hold similar views to the Nazis. I almost miss such ridiculous assertions.

Force stopped the Nazis by the way...nothing else would have. If you have a different view by all means express it and state why you think you can stop someone bent on world domination by violent means can be stopped by anything other than a bullet, bomb or the threat of using force. Either way force is involved.

This is a very simple concept that transcends political views. Most nations have employed it to serve their interests and stop being overrun by others.

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" 24. WAR IS A MERE CONTINUATION OF POLICY BY OTHER MEANS.

We see, therefore, that War is not merely a political act, but also a real political instrument, a continuation of political commerce, a carrying out of the same by other means. All beyond this which is strictly peculiar to War relates merely to the peculiar nature of the means which it uses. That the tendencies and views of policy shall not be incompatible with these means, the Art of War in general and the Commander in each particular case may demand, and this claim is truly not a trifling one. But however powerfully this may react on political views in particular cases, still it must always be regarded as only a modification of them; for the political view is the object, War is the means, and the means must always include the object in our conception."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17122738

"The UN nuclear watchdog says Iran has stopped a team of inspectors from visiting a key military site.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says no deal was been reached on inspecting the Parchin site, south of Tehran, despite "intensive efforts""



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Originally Posted by shiva
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17122738

"The UN nuclear watchdog says Iran has stopped a team of inspectors from visiting a key military site.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says no deal was been reached on inspecting the Parchin site, south of Tehran, despite "intensive efforts""



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Iran doesn't seem to realise just how thin the ice is beneath them.

A decade ago the Allies, led by the US were willing to go into Iraq for suspected WMD (and of course, to rid the world of a cruel dictator). Does Iran think actions like this will endear them to the rest of world?

They hold mass rallies calling for the destruction of sovereign nations (The USA and Israel) once a year, they host what amounts to a holocaust denial event, they hang people for being homosexuals and stone women for adultery. With each act they alienate themselves further and spark anger and disgust in many parts of the world. Now they are linked to terrorist attacks on Israeli diplomats in several countries.

It really does seem like the Iranian leadership have no clue just how close they are to seeing their country go up in flames. There is nothing Iran has or can do against a combined Allied force...nothing. Perhaps they are banking on the Russians stepping in - certainly China won't get involved - they have too much trade at stake with the West to go war, and more to gain by actually turning against Iran.

Countries have interests not friends. And right now Iran has little going in it's interest - and it's all Iran's fault.

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Default Re: Iran - Growing view that strike, by Israel or US, will happen

Originally Posted by Norm_uk
It's been a while since anyone has bothered to allude that I hold similar views to the Nazis. I almost miss such ridiculous assertions.

Force stopped the Nazis by the way...nothing else would have. If you have a different view by all means express it and state why you think you can stop someone bent on world domination by violent means can be stopped by anything other than a bullet, bomb or the threat of using force. Either way force is involved.

This is a very simple concept that transcends political views. Most nations have employed it to serve their interests and stop being overrun by others.

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I felt it was about time goodwins law was forced on you again.

But in all seriousness, regardless of him being a nazi or not, the point remains. I'm in no way an idealist, but I'm increasingly growing tired of the whole idea of conflict for whatever reason. With the advent of teh interwebs as well, information is flowing alot smoother. Sadly, I still see people hating each other and supporting their governments use of force for whatever banal reasons. The pervading attitude of 'what does my vote count' attitude is one of resignation. I'd like to hope informed persons would start to assert themselves soon. Not all countries resort to force, infact, very few countries can assert themselves through force unless they have a strong alliance. What is NATO doing in afghanistan, Libya or anywhere else that is not connected to the north atlantic? Perhaps a re-branding of their club is due.

And yes, force stopped the Nazi's and the Japanese. But where are we seeing such aggression today? Iran is not in the midst of invading and forcing their ideology on countries. Yes, they are operating by proxy and rather amatuer assassins..And if they develop a nuclear weapon, they know it will ensure their own destruction. I would love to see the political will to develop which departed from our primitive current process.
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Irans new secret weapon (although the ladies are based in Canada !!)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gall...131162&index=0

At least they are training the dojo is linked with Hatsumi (im not sure what he thinks of the newsarticle thougth !!)
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I wonder..would Israel allow the IAEA in to inspect their nuclear/military facilities? Russia? The US? England? China?
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Originally Posted by Paracletus
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tDpihSGv5k8

I wonder..would Israel allow the IAEA in to inspect their nuclear/military facilities? Russia? The US? England? China?
Unlikely...
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Unlikely...

But most other member of the Nuke Club are responsible enough to keep their fingers far away from the fission ignition!
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Originally Posted by Oyibopeppeh
But most other member of the Nuke Club are responsible enough to keep their fingers far away from the fission ignition!
Probably something to do with the fact the electorate actually DO have some effect on politicians, rather than "Oh, look! I've won 99.5% of the vote!"....


Although not as much effect as we would like to believe....
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Originally Posted by Norm_uk
Iran doesn't seem to realise just how thin the ice is beneath them.

A decade ago the Allies, led by the US were willing to go into Iraq for suspected WMD (and of course, to rid the world of a cruel dictator). Does Iran think actions like this will endear them to the rest of world?
You're missing the point.

Iran would be fools to follow the Saddam playbook wouldn't they?

Look meek, destroy your WMDs, invite in the inspectors in to verify this.

What good did it do Saddam Hussein? It just meant when the balloon went up, he had no WMDs to shoot back, and he'd let a load of spies into his country to have a good look at anything they wanted.

Maybe a more successful approach might be to act as belligerent as possible. Threaten the US and your neighbours with doom. Threaten pre-emptive attacks on them. Flaunt your nuclear program and make the world think you might just be a bit further down the road than they think. Make clear that any countries in the region that act as a base for US troops will be targeted in the event of any strike. Look like you're really spoiling for a fight and fancy your chances.

It worked rather well for Kim Jong Il didn't it? His son is now sitting on the throne of a nuclear-armed nation, and where is all the talk of strikes on them?
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The Israeli's do not f**k about - they will nuke them.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...icle878262.ece
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Originally Posted by abbey08
The Israeli's do not f**k about - they will nuke them.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...icle878262.ece
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