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Old Jul 7th 2009, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Blue Cat
he hated Muslims.
Hate's a nasty thing...and usually born out of fear and misunderstanding.

Hating Muslims is not racism though, it's bigotry...Muslims are not a "race" by any definition of the word. I wish Muslims would stop playing the race card - there's people in the world who have really suffered simply because of something they cannot choose - their ethnicity...religion is a choice.

I don't know what is more pitifull - the brutal murder of an innocent woman or the fact that certain people will capitalise upon it to further their agenda of portraying their people and persecuted and victimised.

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Old Jul 7th 2009, 2:39 pm
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Islam is not only the Quran it is also sunna & hadith.
but however i am not a preacher and i will not submit an answer i am not sure if it is 100% correct in relation to islam.
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Originally Posted by Norm_uk
Hate's a nasty thing...and usually born out of fear and misunderstanding.

Hating Muslims is not racism though, it's bigotry...Muslims are not a "race" by any definition of the word. I wish Muslims would stop playing the race card - there's people in the world who have really suffered simply because of something they cannot choose - their ethnicity...religion is a choice.

I don't know what is more pitifull - the brutal murder of an innocent woman or the fact that certain people will capitalise upon it to further their agenda of portraying their people and persecuted and victimised.

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Old Jul 7th 2009, 2:53 pm
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in conclusion I am just posting here about this topic, because it hasn't generated enough publicity as it should, after all she was an innocent victim who was killed inside a courtroom, in a place she should have felt protected and safe.
I just wish the the murderer will be given the maximum sentence as he has killed my friend and her unborn child, and attempted to murder her husband as well, who is currently in critical condition in the hospital.
I want justice to be served for the sake of her young son who will be scarred for life.
it has nothing to do with her being a muslim or not. it has everything to do with justice.
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Originally Posted by Mariah_Saudi
in conclusion I am just posting here about this topic, because it hasn't generated enough publicity as it should, after all she was an innocent victim who was killed inside a courtroom, in a place she should have felt protected and safe.
I just wish the the murderer will be given the maximum sentence as he has killed my friend and her unborn child, and attempted to murder her husband as well, who is currently in critical condition in the hospital.
I want justice to be served for the sake of her young son who will be scarred for life.
it has nothing to do with her being a muslim or not. it has everything to do with justice.
i hadn't heard anything about this, so thanks for posting...it is totally shocking that something like this could happen in a courtroom...and the poor child, we have no idea of the impact on him in future life...

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I can't fathom how that is not national news.. Disgraceful.

I assume that you have approached all the press agencies since you are trying to publicise this..

I mean, there are about 100 people who read this, and about 90pc of those who replied have actually forgot about the post already..
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I can't fathom how that is not national news.. Disgraceful.

I assume that you have approached all the press agencies since you are trying to publicise this..

I mean, there are about 100 people who read this, and about 90pc of those who replied have actually forgot about the post already..
yes we have approached lots of agencies, and it took them 5 days to finally mention something but, it seems it is mainly on their websites.
however the Arab news agencies are mentioning it, but ofcourse not alot of people follow it
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Originally Posted by Mariah_Saudi
yes we have approached lots of agencies, and it took them 5 days to finally mention something but, it seems it is mainly on their websites.
however the Arab news agencies are mentioning it, but ofcourse not alot of people follow it
what a disgrace that in this day and age we still have such bigots roaming the world.

It has just been on CNN
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Originally Posted by Grace O Malley
what a disgrace that in this day and age we still have such bigots roaming the world.

It has just been on CNN
this is what is so outrageous, if she had been a european or american it would have been all over the news and we never would've heard the end of it.
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there are murders by stabbing all over europe every day and we never hear about them.

this is a terrible crime. it shows that Germany needs to improve security in its courts. in the UK you have to pass through metal detectors to enter a court.

the murderer by the sound of it is an ethnic German of Russian origin. Ironically enough they are themselves a group that complain of being victims of racism. Thousands moved to Germany from my wifes home town when the Iron curtain fell but a lot ave since returned as they feel they are not accepted in Germany.

he should however rot in jail for the rest of his life
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Originally Posted by Inselaffen
no it doesnt its all down to cultural interpretation.
Agreed.

As with all religion... its inherent weakness lies in mans ability to comprehend it.
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My whole family and everyone I know heard about this and feels very strongly about what has happened.

This is absolute hatred and Islamophobia at its purest. Alot of questions were being asked.... that have not been answered.

Where was security? As I understand every court has security personnel standing outside or inside to ensure that security is maintained.

Why was this man allowed to enter the courtroom with a weapon. What if he took with him a gun?

What was everyone doing when the woman got stabbed 18 times... EIGHTEEEEN TIMES.... were they just sitting there looking?

Why did the police shoot her husband when they should be dealing with the murderer.

Too many questions.

Hijab is a religious requirement, it is considered another path of worship. So that woman, just like most Muslim women, decided to wear Hijab to worship her God that way. She chose that and she should be able to dress like that anywhere on this planet. Thats what freedom is all about.

The civilised world is about protecting people's rights. Yet when we look into secular countries like france,... hate against the Hijab is supported and encouraged by the government. Sarkozy live on TV says the Hijab is not welcome in France. This is a civilised nation? This is pure hatred towards Islam and followers.

We are human beings for god's sakes, we are suppose to live side by side with respect and tollerance towards one another.

Thank you Mariah for bringing this news to our attention. We here in UAE have followed the story carefully. The western news channels didnt give it enough attention, for obvious reasons.

God bless your soul Marwa.

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It is starting to get picked up by mainstream media

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...b-murder-egypt
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It is starting to get picked up by mainstream media

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...b-murder-egypt
well it took a whole WEEK but atleast it is gaining publicity. let's hope that the murderer gets what he deserves (maximum sentence) and hopefully there will be more security in German courts from now on.
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Originally Posted by Mariah_Saudi
Islam is not only the Quran it is also sunna & hadith.
but however i am not a preacher and i will not submit an answer i am not sure if it is 100% correct in relation to islam.
I think that's the problem - every has their own interpretation.

Some can justify murder, rape, theft and intolerance by their beliefs, others cannot. Who can say for sure which one is correct?

Better to not have the system and live according to proven laws and ethics. Morality is only good if it promotes the survival and prosperity of the human race anyways....anything beyond that is more to do with control of people rather than helping them to live better lives.

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