how old is the UK?

Old Mar 3rd 2009, 10:23 am
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Originally Posted by Blue Cat
you agree that Britain is only 300 years old


good post Beard Man, this Country has alot to learn though, let's hope they learn by their mistakes and correct things when possible.
Is that counting from the time of Unification? Not from 1066AD when William the Conquerer defeated the Normans?
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Is that counting from the time of Unification? Not from 1066AD when William the Conquerer defeated the Normans?
see post #18.
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It also strikes me that most of us just find it really difficult to understand a culture and society that has religion so woven into its very fabric. Part of me is saying well, ofc BM's posts all link back to religion, because that's what he sees the world through.

The same goes for the opposite: if you are used to interpreting everything through a religious viewpoint, then it's difficult to understand people who don't.

At least we're all trying!
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At least we're all trying!
Many of these posters are civilised human beings believe it or not (allegedly).
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Originally Posted by Beard Man
what you just said is nothing but a joke
Would you care to explain why you feel that my statement was a joke?

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Originally Posted by Beard Man
we don't have a democratic system so it is different here.

but i am saying if the majority became religious weather christian/muslims or whatever and through the proper channel (parliment and voting) they decided to change the system slowly but toward a non-secular ruling system and ofcourse using their rights in a peacefull way... don't you think that it can happen?
If the majority became religious and voted in religious leaders to install a religiously based government (theocracy) the UK would cease to be in effect both culturally and politically.

It would go against the principle of freedom of religion and endanger the rights of minority belief systems and non-religious people who tend to suffer intolerance and even persecution under the rule of another religion. Our culture just doesn't swing that way and even when we all went to church and did as we were told we had some sense of separation of religion and state and fought bitterly to get it because we believe each person should have a choice and not be forced to live by the beliefs of another if those beliefs are religious.

I know your belief tells you that the whole world will become Islamic but don't you think this would destroy the religious and cultural diversity of Humanity...something which is actually good because of all the ideas it gives us to learn from?

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Originally Posted by Beard Man
are you suggesting that muslims only copied what egyptions and greeks without creativety or innovation from their side at all?

why muslims became as weak as today in science and economy is another long story
Muslims got most of their original knowledge which started the Golden Age from others and they built upon those foundations...this is not copying it's learning from others and is a great thing.

Why did Muslims fall behind in science and other areas? The concept of Itjihad seems to been replaced with Jihad no?

Of course today much science actually contradicts the teachings of Islam if believed literally instead metaphorically. Same with most religion actually.

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Originally Posted by MacScot
...not so much "to move him away" but simply to enlighten him and provide alternative viewpoints to his faith-based view of the world, I'd say !

When BM first came on the ME Board...he stated he also wished to write better English and, after 1700 or so posts, I can see a huge improvement.


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BM,

Even though it is specifically aimed at christians I think you may also find this video useful for future arguments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4
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Originally Posted by Beard Man
i assume that the UK is there for more than 300 years if not more.

during this time alot of things changed to shap the UK the way it is today

it took along time for people to learn things and for rules and policies to evolved to what they have now.

one the other hand

how old is the UAE ? not more than 50 years. it is still a devoloping country. and 20 years back the number or educated locals were not more than 10,000 i assume.. or even less

beside we have our own culture and our own religion in this area and we don't necessary have to follow the standers of others or their way of thinking or their way of looking at things.

we have the right to live our life and decide it the way we want. isn't it? and if there are some mistakes in the polcies that can be corrected we should be given our time to do that.

why do i here some people in here talking about only the negative things in this part of the world? aren't there good things that deserves to be complemented?

if you are a negative person that much and if you can't stand some negative issues in here why are you still around?
Fine with everything, but, your question is about how old the UK was, yet just after 2 sentences you talk about the UAE...
Your title selection needs to be polished a bit...
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Originally Posted by MacScot
Islam encouraged people to seek knowledge through science and philosophy...unlike some European Christian churches who held the advance of science back (e.g., Galileo and Copernicus, and even killed some astronomers)
Christianity or any religion is a bad idea for governance in Europe...we were doing so well as pagans, even doubting the existence of our own Gods while this region stoned people to death for even saying the name of their god

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Originally Posted by B Bear
BM,

I don't think anyone here doubts Islamic culture and its contribution to early science and philosophy. The sadness is that it has evaporated, extinguished in favour of rote learning and an utter lack of inquisitiveness. It's great that a child can recite the koran - but so what?

This same problem I see every day - memorise facts, and quote vast tracts of someone elses work - totally useless. It's like all the memebers of a football team learning the rules by heart but never playing a game.

As every day goes by we get further and further into the understanding of how things evolve and how life has developed. sadly the culture now holds back those who should be at the forefront of development. I have even seen it said in this region by leaders - 'what have we given to the benefit of mankind in the last 100 years?'

Your child does not need to die of malaria, TB, or a simple cut on the leg any more due to penicillin and immunisation -is god against that? Instead of staring at the moon to announce holidays why have no muslims been there?

Open the mind. Faith is good, but it is just that - faith. Sometimes it is better to believe in fact.
Let's face it though we have elements in the West who still resist the good things science gives...Creation "science", anti-GM crop nuts, anti-stem cell research people, "pro-life" folks etc etc.

Thankfully we have secular governments who try (usually) to get all the facts without having a pre-conceived idea (like religion) when it comes to scientific progress.

It's why we will have cures for most ailments within 20-30 years and will be able to extend our lives by hundreds of years before this century is up (would we want to though given people cannot control their breeding as it is!).

We still have social problems in the West we need to face and sort out - we no longer respect our own culture, people or traditions...that is our biggest failing in my honest opinion.

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Originally Posted by Norm_uk
If the majority became religious and voted in religious leaders to install a religiously based government (theocracy) the UK would cease to be in effect both culturally and politically.

It would go against the principle of freedom of religion and endanger the rights of minority belief systems and non-religious people who tend to suffer intolerance and even persecution under the rule of another religion. Our culture just doesn't swing that way and even when we all went to church and did as we were told we had some sense of separation of religion and state and fought bitterly to get it because we believe each person should have a choice and not be forced to live by the beliefs of another if those beliefs are religious.

I know your belief tells you that the whole world will become Islamic but don't you think this would destroy the religious and cultural diversity of Humanity...something which is actually good because of all the ideas it gives us to learn from?



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Islam will continue to expand .. but it will reach the maximum only when jesus comes back.

but can i ask you something?

have you been to a Church before? if yes at what age did you stop? and how long it took you to take this decision?
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Originally Posted by Norm_uk
Muslims got most of their original knowledge which started the Golden Age from others and they built upon those foundations...this is not copying it's learning from others and is a great thing.

Why did Muslims fall behind in science and other areas? The concept of Itjihad seems to been replaced with Jihad no?

Of course today much science actually contradicts the teachings of Islam if believed literally instead metaphorically. Same with most religion actually.

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there is no concepts in Islam being replaced by other concepts.

are you speaking about (ijtihad) which means providing alotttt of efforts in thinking and and searching to come up with the correct answer (when it comes to religious principles and only high level of scholars are allowed to do it) and the word it self can be used to descibe a huge effort a man is providing toward achiving something.


and Jihad was one reason for spreading islam and expanding the area of islamic countries ..and was reason to brought knowlege to muslims and good environment and fairness to places where islam reached. how do you say that it was a cause of disapperance of science or weakness of muslims?
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