Gordon Brown resigns
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Shameful - and I confidently predict this shabby little piece of connivance means the end of Nick Clegg's career as a political figure of any clout whatsoever.
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Forgive me for perhaps asking a stupid question, but what exactly is the big deal with a potential coalition government in the UK? Most European countries function perfectly well using proportional representation and have multiple parties establishing governments more often than not.
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If and i say IF Nick Clegg joins in Labour COULD this could mean a second
unelected Labour P.M.
unelected Labour P.M.
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Forgive me for perhaps asking a stupid question, but what exactly is the big deal with a potential coalition government in the UK? Most European countries function perfectly well using proportional representation and have multiple parties establishing governments more often than not.
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Coalition governments are unproven for the British. It isn't only forming the coalition but also the governing - both in terms of winning votes in Parliament for every bill, and the Civil Service's ability to carry out the policies when they have to report to two, not one, master. British government and bureaucracy is structured to serve one party in power.
Whatever coalition gets assembled will be lucky to last more than a month.
Whatever coalition gets assembled will be lucky to last more than a month.
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Coalition governments are unproven for the British. It isn't only forming the coalition but also the governing - both in terms of winning votes in Parliament for every bill, and the Civil Service's ability to carry out the policies when they have to report to two, not one, master. British government and bureaucracy is structured to serve one party in power.
Whatever coalition gets assembled will be lucky to last more than a month.
Whatever coalition gets assembled will be lucky to last more than a month.
Last edited by norsk; May 11th 2010 at 11:19 am.
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The British mindset is entrenched with the duopoly of Tory v Labour. FPTP works OK where there are only 2 parties, but that just isn't the case, and more often than not we are stuck with the equivalent of a schizophrenic dictator who spends and taxes for a decade then changes his mind and slashes and burns for the next. The result? Not much progression.
Of the 16 AAA-rated countries in the world, 12 run a PR-based election system and 10 have coalitions. Furthermore, there isn't always a Centrist party in perpetual power. Germany has a left/right grand coalition and Scotland has an SNP minority government.
We Brits gave a lot to the world...parliamentary democracy, technology, sport...we just have to accept that in many cases other countries have taken our inventions and improved them.
Of the 16 AAA-rated countries in the world, 12 run a PR-based election system and 10 have coalitions. Furthermore, there isn't always a Centrist party in perpetual power. Germany has a left/right grand coalition and Scotland has an SNP minority government.
We Brits gave a lot to the world...parliamentary democracy, technology, sport...we just have to accept that in many cases other countries have taken our inventions and improved them.
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Forgive me for perhaps asking a stupid question, but what exactly is the big deal with a potential coalition government in the UK? Most European countries function perfectly well using proportional representation and have multiple parties establishing governments more often than not.
There's another reason - we now have the right to elect who we want to represent us locally. In a PR-based candidate list system, the seats are allocated afterwards. An MP from, say, Southampton might find himself representing a constituency nowhere near there. This happens a lot in many coalition-governed countries.
My view of democracy at its best is that good or bad policies are less important than definite policies.
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Coalition means weak, wishy-washy, bit-of-this, bit-of-that government. Is that any better than what we've had for the past 20 years or so? The reason the US and the UK have the strongest democracies in the world is precisely because they have a FPTP system. But the point isn'about stong democracies for democracy's sake--its effective government representing the people's views. LibDems got 32% of the votes and 9% of the seats--how's that democracy?
There's another reason - we now have the right to elect who we want to represent us locally. In a PR-based candidate list system, the seats are allocated afterwards. An MP from, say, Southampton might find himself representing a constituency nowhere near there. This happens a lot in many coalition-governed countries. And I say down with parochialism. Its as divisive as racism.
My view of democracy at its best is that good or bad policies are less important than definite policies. = The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
There's another reason - we now have the right to elect who we want to represent us locally. In a PR-based candidate list system, the seats are allocated afterwards. An MP from, say, Southampton might find himself representing a constituency nowhere near there. This happens a lot in many coalition-governed countries. And I say down with parochialism. Its as divisive as racism.
My view of democracy at its best is that good or bad policies are less important than definite policies. = The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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Coalition means weak, wishy-washy, bit-of-this, bit-of-that government. The reason the US and the UK have the strongest democracies in the world is precisely because they have a FPTP system.
There's another reason - we now have the right to elect who we want to represent us locally. In a PR-based candidate list system, the seats are allocated afterwards. An MP from, say, Southampton might find himself representing a constituency nowhere near there. This happens a lot in many coalition-governed countries.
My view of democracy at its best is that good or bad policies are less important than definite policies.
There's another reason - we now have the right to elect who we want to represent us locally. In a PR-based candidate list system, the seats are allocated afterwards. An MP from, say, Southampton might find himself representing a constituency nowhere near there. This happens a lot in many coalition-governed countries.
My view of democracy at its best is that good or bad policies are less important than definite policies.