View Poll Results: Total Corona deaths we report before we give up reporting?
<50,000
0
0%
50,000- 100,000
2
6.25%
100,000 – 250,000
5
15.63%
250,000 – 500,000
4
12.50%
500,000 – 1m
7
21.88%
1m +
14
43.75%
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Global Corona Death predictions
#1
Global Corona Death predictions
We are currently at around 30,000 Corona deaths to date. To put this into perspective, this compares to around 160,000 deaths per day (on average) around the world. i.e. 14.5m since the Corona was first acknowledged. Poll is… what will be the total Corona deaths we report before we give up reporting/ caring:
1. <50,000
2. 50,000- 100,000
3. 100,000 – 250,000
4. 250,000 – 500,000
5. 500,000 – 1m
6. 1m +
[I voted for 100-250k] ... less than the Syrian War.
1. <50,000
2. 50,000- 100,000
3. 100,000 – 250,000
4. 250,000 – 500,000
5. 500,000 – 1m
6. 1m +
[I voted for 100-250k] ... less than the Syrian War.
Last edited by Millhouse; Mar 29th 2020 at 7:13 am.
#5
Re: Global Corona Death predictions
I would say at least a million. This really hasn't got started yet.
So far, we're mainly focusing on the first countries to get it - China, Spain, Italy, Germany, UK, US. These are all countries with reasonable resources in terms of health, sanitation, government communications, etc. They can lock down (though the long term economic damage will be massive) and should be able broadly to enforce those lockdowns, and at the very least feed people.
But you need to factor in other countries.
Brazil's president Bolsonaro is a massive asshat, he's one of the axis of idiocy (Trump and friends) and out there on the fringe right. He's basically saying it's all a left wing plot, everyone should go out and carry on as normal, and his moronic followers (I have some on my facebook, as my mrs is Brazilian) basically just parrot and do whatever he says. They've got 200 million population, lack the resources of Europe and the US, and have a government that is basically doing nothing. The mortality rate is hard to pin down (how many people have little or no symptoms?) but a fair guess is around 1%. Some suggest that up to 5% need critical care. Very quickly, once your emergency beds are all occupied, your death rate is going to jump from 1% to 5%. So it's not unreasonable to think that you could have over a million dead, just in Brazil, even if less than half the population get infected. And same social issues as Italy, lots of families with old folk in same house (my wife's family has mum in mid 60s, grandma in 90s).
Then consider all the other countries that lack the resources, India, Africa, etc. with various mixtures of poverty, corruption, lack of authority, lack of education, etc.
So far, we're mainly focusing on the first countries to get it - China, Spain, Italy, Germany, UK, US. These are all countries with reasonable resources in terms of health, sanitation, government communications, etc. They can lock down (though the long term economic damage will be massive) and should be able broadly to enforce those lockdowns, and at the very least feed people.
But you need to factor in other countries.
Brazil's president Bolsonaro is a massive asshat, he's one of the axis of idiocy (Trump and friends) and out there on the fringe right. He's basically saying it's all a left wing plot, everyone should go out and carry on as normal, and his moronic followers (I have some on my facebook, as my mrs is Brazilian) basically just parrot and do whatever he says. They've got 200 million population, lack the resources of Europe and the US, and have a government that is basically doing nothing. The mortality rate is hard to pin down (how many people have little or no symptoms?) but a fair guess is around 1%. Some suggest that up to 5% need critical care. Very quickly, once your emergency beds are all occupied, your death rate is going to jump from 1% to 5%. So it's not unreasonable to think that you could have over a million dead, just in Brazil, even if less than half the population get infected. And same social issues as Italy, lots of families with old folk in same house (my wife's family has mum in mid 60s, grandma in 90s).
Then consider all the other countries that lack the resources, India, Africa, etc. with various mixtures of poverty, corruption, lack of authority, lack of education, etc.
#6
Re: Global Corona Death predictions
I would say at least a million. This really hasn't got started yet.
So far, we're mainly focusing on the first countries to get it - China, Spain, Italy, Germany, UK, US. These are all countries with reasonable resources in terms of health, sanitation, government communications, etc. They can lock down (though the long term economic damage will be massive) and should be able broadly to enforce those lockdowns, and at the very least feed people.
But you need to factor in other countries.
Brazil's president Bolsonaro is a massive asshat, he's one of the axis of idiocy (Trump and friends) and out there on the fringe right. He's basically saying it's all a left wing plot, everyone should go out and carry on as normal, and his moronic followers (I have some on my facebook, as my mrs is Brazilian) basically just parrot and do whatever he says. They've got 200 million population, lack the resources of Europe and the US, and have a government that is basically doing nothing. The mortality rate is hard to pin down (how many people have little or no symptoms?) but a fair guess is around 1%. Some suggest that up to 5% need critical care. Very quickly, once your emergency beds are all occupied, your death rate is going to jump from 1% to 5%. So it's not unreasonable to think that you could have over a million dead, just in Brazil, even if less than half the population get infected. And same social issues as Italy, lots of families with old folk in same house (my wife's family has mum in mid 60s, grandma in 90s).
Then consider all the other countries that lack the resources, India, Africa, etc. with various mixtures of poverty, corruption, lack of authority, lack of education, etc.
So far, we're mainly focusing on the first countries to get it - China, Spain, Italy, Germany, UK, US. These are all countries with reasonable resources in terms of health, sanitation, government communications, etc. They can lock down (though the long term economic damage will be massive) and should be able broadly to enforce those lockdowns, and at the very least feed people.
But you need to factor in other countries.
Brazil's president Bolsonaro is a massive asshat, he's one of the axis of idiocy (Trump and friends) and out there on the fringe right. He's basically saying it's all a left wing plot, everyone should go out and carry on as normal, and his moronic followers (I have some on my facebook, as my mrs is Brazilian) basically just parrot and do whatever he says. They've got 200 million population, lack the resources of Europe and the US, and have a government that is basically doing nothing. The mortality rate is hard to pin down (how many people have little or no symptoms?) but a fair guess is around 1%. Some suggest that up to 5% need critical care. Very quickly, once your emergency beds are all occupied, your death rate is going to jump from 1% to 5%. So it's not unreasonable to think that you could have over a million dead, just in Brazil, even if less than half the population get infected. And same social issues as Italy, lots of families with old folk in same house (my wife's family has mum in mid 60s, grandma in 90s).
Then consider all the other countries that lack the resources, India, Africa, etc. with various mixtures of poverty, corruption, lack of authority, lack of education, etc.
So over a million for Brazil sounds reasonable, if they don't do anything about it.
Many other countries around the world could be in serious trouble. India , Pakistan, Bangladesh come to mind. Also a lot of Africa.
#8
Re: Global Corona Death predictions
Update, the scores on the doors says 191,000 deaths worldwide so far. That was just three weeks after the original post.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
So those 250k predictions from three weeks back look, erm..., pretty optimistic.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
So those 250k predictions from three weeks back look, erm..., pretty optimistic.
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Re: Global Corona Death predictions
Update, the scores on the doors says 191,000 deaths worldwide so far. That was just three weeks after the original post.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
So those 250k predictions from three weeks back look, erm..., pretty optimistic.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
So those 250k predictions from three weeks back look, erm..., pretty optimistic.
Comparing the actual year to year death numbers with the COVID-19 deaths will be interesting.
#10
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Yeah. And the majority were people with already one foot in the grave. Average age of death is, what, 80? The Los Angeles health official admitted based on their antibody study in the city that the real fatality rate for the general population is closer to .0-.2%, making it slightly worse than the typical flu season.
Comparing the actual year to year death numbers with the COVID-19 deaths will be interesting.
Comparing the actual year to year death numbers with the COVID-19 deaths will be interesting.
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#14
Re: Global Corona Death predictions
To recap, the question was "Total Corona deaths we report before we give up reporting?"
I voted for 100-250k. We have only just passed 250k but it seems that lockdowns are being released around the world to restart economies. The next phase will be to stop reporting the numbers and media-fatigue kicks in as people decide that they value their freedom and jobs more than they do their neighbour's grandparents (as of course, it'll never happen to your own).
We are rapidly going to transition from reporting deaths to job losses and enjoy the new normal of half-arsed social distancing and cheap but socially unacceptable holidays.
I voted for 100-250k. We have only just passed 250k but it seems that lockdowns are being released around the world to restart economies. The next phase will be to stop reporting the numbers and media-fatigue kicks in as people decide that they value their freedom and jobs more than they do their neighbour's grandparents (as of course, it'll never happen to your own).
We are rapidly going to transition from reporting deaths to job losses and enjoy the new normal of half-arsed social distancing and cheap but socially unacceptable holidays.
#15
Re: Global Corona Death predictions
I "cheated" by waiting until now to vote, and I am totally comfortable voting for 1million plus. Many of the countries that are now considering "opening up" (UK, Spain, Italy, etc.) are still reporting significant numbers of new infections every day, and the US, which never really "locked down" in any meaningful sense is also talking about "opening up" when the number of new daily infections in the US has barely even leveled off. ..... Then if you look at other countries, in the past week or so numbers have really started to escalate in Russia and Brazil, and from what I have read, the number of infections in Brazil are apparently severely understated. Then there are countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Nigeria, where there is a massive population, considerable poverty, and large cities where the idea of "social distancing" being even possible, is a joke. 2-3 yeas from now I could see fatalities easily reaching 3m-5m.
Last edited by Pulaski; May 5th 2020 at 4:43 pm.