France set to ban the niqab and burka
Jul 18th 2010, 10:23 am
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
HOWEVER (yes, I am shouting, above the din) several bars I've been to in AD have a notice on the door: No National Dress.
Argue that one.
Argue that one.
Jul 18th 2010, 10:31 am
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
Of all of the world's and Europe's problems, you are all correct, it's the 5cm small burka and niqab cloth that's the cause of today's woes.
I can see in a few years or even months, the beard will be banned to the western world, only for Muslims though as Sikhs and Orthodox Jews are OK.
Let's see, hmmm what else should be banned? Lets ban halal meat whilst we're at it, hmmm, looks like we're turning into a police state just like the 200 cameras setup in Birmingham in Muslim areas only.
If only the pathetic Arab rulers with their trillions would take a stand and threaten to take their money out of the Western economies if such clear anti-Islam policies were implemented , then the ministers wouldn't even contemplate about this...
These policies my friends, are likely to push more people to the fringe, NOT integrate people as you would like.
I can see in a few years or even months, the beard will be banned to the western world, only for Muslims though as Sikhs and Orthodox Jews are OK.
Let's see, hmmm what else should be banned? Lets ban halal meat whilst we're at it, hmmm, looks like we're turning into a police state just like the 200 cameras setup in Birmingham in Muslim areas only.
If only the pathetic Arab rulers with their trillions would take a stand and threaten to take their money out of the Western economies if such clear anti-Islam policies were implemented , then the ministers wouldn't even contemplate about this...
These policies my friends, are likely to push more people to the fringe, NOT integrate people as you would like.
Jul 18th 2010, 10:57 am
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
Of all of the world's and Europe's problems, you are all correct, it's the 5cm small burka and niqab cloth that's the cause of today's woes.
I can see in a few years or even months, the beard will be banned to the western world, only for Muslims though as Sikhs and Orthodox Jews are OK.
Let's see, hmmm what else should be banned? Lets ban halal meat whilst we're at it, hmmm, looks like we're turning into a police state just like the 200 cameras setup in Birmingham in Muslim areas only.
If only the pathetic Arab rulers with their trillions would take a stand and threaten to take their money out of the Western economies if such clear anti-Islam policies were implemented , then the ministers wouldn't even contemplate about this...
These policies my friends, are likely to push more people to the fringe, NOT integrate people as you would like.
I can see in a few years or even months, the beard will be banned to the western world, only for Muslims though as Sikhs and Orthodox Jews are OK.
Let's see, hmmm what else should be banned? Lets ban halal meat whilst we're at it, hmmm, looks like we're turning into a police state just like the 200 cameras setup in Birmingham in Muslim areas only.
If only the pathetic Arab rulers with their trillions would take a stand and threaten to take their money out of the Western economies if such clear anti-Islam policies were implemented , then the ministers wouldn't even contemplate about this...
These policies my friends, are likely to push more people to the fringe, NOT integrate people as you would like.
Yes, marginalising people will more likely push them to the fringe--but the people its aimed at largely don't want to integrate. You go through parts of the UK where immigrants are by-and-large unrestricted, and try to spot the integration. (As it happens I'm dead against the burqa ban; it will never happen in the UK.)
200 cameras in "muslim-only areas"? Don't be stupid AND blind. There are security cameras all over the country. If the security forces have reason to believe that certain areas or communities are a threat to security, then they have the right to put up both overt and covert cameras. I'm appalled at the catipulation of the police in respect of the recent situation in Birmingham. If you've nothing to hide, what's the issue with a security camera? If most home-grown terrorists come from predominantly muslim areas, then ****ing right there should be cameras there. I just hope it was all a publicity stunt and in fact the covert cameras are still there.
Anti-Islam policies? But I bet you want the west to continue to deal with muslim nations, where other religions are either banned or their followers persecuted or severely restricted in how they follow their religions. Try building a church in downtown Abu Dhabi and having the bells peel every Sunday.
Yeah, let's ban halal meat, coz I can't eat a pork pie in Saudi.
And if you think its the policies of the western democracies which stop many muslims integrating into western societies you're a bigger twat than you've so far demonstrated.
Jul 18th 2010, 12:44 pm
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
The argument presumably being that those wearing Arab National Dress are likely to be of the Islamic faith and therefore not allowed to consume alcohol.
Jul 18th 2010, 12:47 pm
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Jul 18th 2010, 2:36 pm
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
Yep. My figure did.
On the national dress issue, I remember a local guy being asked to leave Scarlett's at Emirates Towers at 9pm. He didn't even bat an eyelid.
As for the "let's ban halal meat cos I can't get a pork pie in Saudi" argument, you need to ask yourself how far down that line you want to go, because we are nothing like Saudi Arabia, and nor should we want to be, especially in such tit-for-tat scenarios.
On the national dress issue, I remember a local guy being asked to leave Scarlett's at Emirates Towers at 9pm. He didn't even bat an eyelid.
As for the "let's ban halal meat cos I can't get a pork pie in Saudi" argument, you need to ask yourself how far down that line you want to go, because we are nothing like Saudi Arabia, and nor should we want to be, especially in such tit-for-tat scenarios.
Jul 18th 2010, 3:06 pm
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
Yep. My figure did.
On the national dress issue, I remember a local guy being asked to leave Scarlett's at Emirates Towers at 9pm. He didn't even bat an eyelid.
As for the "let's ban halal meat cos I can't get a pork pie in Saudi" argument, you need to ask yourself how far down that line you want to go, because we are nothing like Saudi Arabia, and nor should we want to be, especially in such tit-for-tat scenarios.
On the national dress issue, I remember a local guy being asked to leave Scarlett's at Emirates Towers at 9pm. He didn't even bat an eyelid.
As for the "let's ban halal meat cos I can't get a pork pie in Saudi" argument, you need to ask yourself how far down that line you want to go, because we are nothing like Saudi Arabia, and nor should we want to be, especially in such tit-for-tat scenarios.
Halal meat could be banned though under public health and animal cruelty laws...it's not the quickest or most humane method of slaughter available. I would also say the same for Kosher slaugtering. I'd be more up for banning circumcision as medically completely unnessesary in the 21st century and so therefore cosmetic in nature...which means only people above 16 years can get it done at their own expense. 75% of the world doesn't do it and we all manage just fine. It's child abuse let's face it - we are already stamping out mutilation of little girls so let's protect little boys too.
Remember, vote Norm...I'll fix everything.
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Jul 18th 2010, 3:50 pm
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
the no national dress in bars thing is to protect the image of the national dress or something like that.
Jul 18th 2010, 5:12 pm
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
Indeed there's no need to sink down to their level but at the same time we need to say we're not really going to allow them to spread the late iron age beliefs in our post enlightenment culture anymore. Just a few broad lines in the sand, nothing even close to what they do.
Halal meat could be banned though under public health and animal cruelty laws...it's not the quickest or most humane method of slaughter available. I would also say the same for Kosher slaugtering. I'd be more up for banning circumcision as medically completely unnessesary in the 21st century and so therefore cosmetic in nature...which means only people above 16 years can get it done at their own expense. 75% of the world doesn't do it and we all manage just fine. It's child abuse let's face it - we are already stamping out mutilation of little girls so let's protect little boys too.
Remember, vote Norm...I'll fix everything.
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Halal meat could be banned though under public health and animal cruelty laws...it's not the quickest or most humane method of slaughter available. I would also say the same for Kosher slaugtering. I'd be more up for banning circumcision as medically completely unnessesary in the 21st century and so therefore cosmetic in nature...which means only people above 16 years can get it done at their own expense. 75% of the world doesn't do it and we all manage just fine. It's child abuse let's face it - we are already stamping out mutilation of little girls so let's protect little boys too.
Remember, vote Norm...I'll fix everything.
N.
In all seriousness, you'd never get away with all that banning. Freedom of thought and expression and all that...of course I realise the irony of it all. It only applies one way. Religions get special dispensation to be anti-gay, anti-women and everything else.
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Jul 18th 2010, 5:15 pm
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
Indeed there's no need to sink down to their level but at the same time we need to say we're not really going to allow them to spread the late iron age beliefs in our post enlightenment culture anymore. Just a few broad lines in the sand, nothing even close to what they do.
Halal meat could be banned though under public health and animal cruelty laws...it's not the quickest or most humane method of slaughter available. I would also say the same for Kosher slaugtering. I'd be more up for banning circumcision as medically completely unnessesary in the 21st century and so therefore cosmetic in nature...which means only people above 16 years can get it done at their own expense. 75% of the world doesn't do it and we all manage just fine. It's child abuse let's face it - we are already stamping out mutilation of little girls so let's protect little boys too.
Remember, vote Norm...I'll fix everything.
N.
Halal meat could be banned though under public health and animal cruelty laws...it's not the quickest or most humane method of slaughter available. I would also say the same for Kosher slaugtering. I'd be more up for banning circumcision as medically completely unnessesary in the 21st century and so therefore cosmetic in nature...which means only people above 16 years can get it done at their own expense. 75% of the world doesn't do it and we all manage just fine. It's child abuse let's face it - we are already stamping out mutilation of little girls so let's protect little boys too.
Remember, vote Norm...I'll fix everything.
N.
Jul 18th 2010, 7:33 pm
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
i'll only vote for you if you grow a little moustache.
In all seriousness, you'd never get away with all that banning. Freedom of thought and expression and all that...of course I realise the irony of it all. It only applies one way. Religions get special dispensation to be anti-gay, anti-women and everything else.
In all seriousness, you'd never get away with all that banning. Freedom of thought and expression and all that...of course I realise the irony of it all. It only applies one way. Religions get special dispensation to be anti-gay, anti-women and everything else.
Freedom of expression to chop bits of kiddies willies - you are right that religions get a special dispensation to be anti-gay and all that...which is why most religions get special treatment from me. To be fair it's mostly the Abrahamic ones that irk me - they literally have gotten away with murder, child molestation, child mutilation, animal cruelty, mental cruelty, slander and slavery.
Perhaps this November I will grow a small tash - am sure my German flatmate will be incredibly impressed!
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Jul 18th 2010, 10:04 pm
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Re: France set to ban the niqab and burka
It's bizarre. We're expected to believe that the same entity who created this universe also has a fixation on hats, genitals and dietary habits.
Jul 19th 2010, 7:04 am
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