Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
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Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
I hate this word as it suggests some plague that befell upon them from space. Have a mate brought up by a single mum who had grenades falling on his head while he was studying in Croatia back in 90's. He made it in life because his mum (coming from a crappy background herself) instilled good values in the chap.
These 'disadvantaged' fellas have all the opportunities of a developed country at their feet and yet they are born and die like f***ups because nobody is teaching them (and their parents) proper values. Today people seem to think that if only a lager welfare cheque and a nicer council flats are required. That's balls. In Dublin they tried mixing social housing in high end estates and this didn't make the benefactors any better. This is because social workers are bleeding-hearts and the police are soft, the liberals destroyed all traditional authorities and proper values are frown upon as 'middle class'.
These 'disadvantaged' fellas have all the opportunities of a developed country at their feet and yet they are born and die like f***ups because nobody is teaching them (and their parents) proper values. Today people seem to think that if only a lager welfare cheque and a nicer council flats are required. That's balls. In Dublin they tried mixing social housing in high end estates and this didn't make the benefactors any better. This is because social workers are bleeding-hearts and the police are soft, the liberals destroyed all traditional authorities and proper values are frown upon as 'middle class'.
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Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
I hate this word as it suggests some plague that befell upon them from space. Have a mate brought up by a single mum who had grenades falling on his head while he was studying in Croatia back in 90's. He made it in life because his mum (coming from a crappy background herself) instilled good values in the chap.
These 'disadvantaged' fellas have all the opportunities of a developed country at their feet and yet they are born and die like f***ups because nobody is teaching them (and their parents) proper values. Today people seem to think that if only a lager welfare cheque and a nicer council flats are required. That's balls. In Dublin they tried mixing social housing in high end estates and this didn't make the benefactors any better. This is because social workers are bleeding-hearts and the police are soft, the liberals destroyed all traditional authorities and proper values are frown upon as 'middle class'.
These 'disadvantaged' fellas have all the opportunities of a developed country at their feet and yet they are born and die like f***ups because nobody is teaching them (and their parents) proper values. Today people seem to think that if only a lager welfare cheque and a nicer council flats are required. That's balls. In Dublin they tried mixing social housing in high end estates and this didn't make the benefactors any better. This is because social workers are bleeding-hearts and the police are soft, the liberals destroyed all traditional authorities and proper values are frown upon as 'middle class'.
Killed with good intentions by the modern liberal establishment.
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Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
I hate this word as it suggests some plague that befell upon them from space. Have a mate brought up by a single mum who had grenades falling on his head while he was studying in Croatia back in 90's. He made it in life because his mum (coming from a crappy background herself) instilled good values in the chap.
These 'disadvantaged' fellas have all the opportunities of a developed country at their feet and yet they are born and die like f***ups because nobody is teaching them (and their parents) proper values. Today people seem to think that if only a lager welfare cheque and a nicer council flats are required. That's balls. In Dublin they tried mixing social housing in high end estates and this didn't make the benefactors any better. This is because social workers are bleeding-hearts and the police are soft, the liberals destroyed all traditional authorities and proper values are frown upon as 'middle class'.
These 'disadvantaged' fellas have all the opportunities of a developed country at their feet and yet they are born and die like f***ups because nobody is teaching them (and their parents) proper values. Today people seem to think that if only a lager welfare cheque and a nicer council flats are required. That's balls. In Dublin they tried mixing social housing in high end estates and this didn't make the benefactors any better. This is because social workers are bleeding-hearts and the police are soft, the liberals destroyed all traditional authorities and proper values are frown upon as 'middle class'.
Why do those values need to be 'taught'? I have instinctively good values, I help people in difficulty, I don't commit crimes, etc, etc. True, had I chosen a different path, my parents would have slapped me down, but essentially my decency and good values are self-created.
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Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
nobody is teaching them (and their parents) proper values.
Why do those values need to be 'taught'? I have instinctively good values, I help people in difficulty, I don't commit crimes, etc, etc. True, had I chosen a different path, my parents would have slapped me down, but essentially my decency and good values are self-created.
Why do those values need to be 'taught'? I have instinctively good values, I help people in difficulty, I don't commit crimes, etc, etc. True, had I chosen a different path, my parents would have slapped me down, but essentially my decency and good values are self-created.
#22
Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
nobody is teaching them (and their parents) proper values.
Why do those values need to be 'taught'? I have instinctively good values, I help people in difficulty, I don't commit crimes, etc, etc. True, had I chosen a different path, my parents would have slapped me down, but essentially my decency and good values are self-created.
Why do those values need to be 'taught'? I have instinctively good values, I help people in difficulty, I don't commit crimes, etc, etc. True, had I chosen a different path, my parents would have slapped me down, but essentially my decency and good values are self-created.
We have had huge institutional shifts in Britain in the last 50 years which have changed the fundamentals of culture. Now parents obey their children. No one teaches right from wrong or the concept of personal responsibility. You can't spank a child because it's always horrific child abuse and you have to consider everyone's feelings...especially children's.
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Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
Wow, really? You rail against illogical thinking and propaganda from so many sources, usually with much justification, and here you spout a foul race-baiting distortion of which Goebbels himself would be proud...
I have to say I'm a bit devastated by this. Just shocking...
I have to say I'm a bit devastated by this. Just shocking...
#24
Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
2009 June to December. It's a toilet of a city and if it wasn't for the odd bit of brilliance on the architectural front then it would have nothing of value to add at all. Fortunately scousers don't migrate far from their dole cheques and so one is only rarely subjected to the aural displeasure of hearing them open their gobs.
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Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
2009 June to December. It's a toilet of a city and if it wasn't for the odd bit of brilliance on the architectural front then it would have nothing of value to add at all. Fortunately scousers don't migrate far from their dole cheques and so one is only rarely subjected to the aural displeasure of hearing them open their gobs.
Brilliant.
#26
Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
Accurate observation my dear Norm
I think it was Darwin who wrote that the Irishman was only slightly more developed than the savage af and scousers are all part bog trotter so perhaps in this case it matters not whether they were white or black. They, if one was to believe that Darwin was right, are just under developed from an evolutionary front and more prone to random acts of violence in their sky blue addidas trackies on the way to collect their dole cheque
Now I am sure some of bog trotters will fill aggrieved at being compared to being a bit better than savages by the great man Darwin but please direct any feelings of mistreatment to him and not me.
I can but read the words of a man who changed the way the world thought
I think it was Darwin who wrote that the Irishman was only slightly more developed than the savage af and scousers are all part bog trotter so perhaps in this case it matters not whether they were white or black. They, if one was to believe that Darwin was right, are just under developed from an evolutionary front and more prone to random acts of violence in their sky blue addidas trackies on the way to collect their dole cheque
Now I am sure some of bog trotters will fill aggrieved at being compared to being a bit better than savages by the great man Darwin but please direct any feelings of mistreatment to him and not me.
I can but read the words of a man who changed the way the world thought
#27
Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
Wow, really? You rail against illogical thinking and propaganda from so many sources, usually with much justification, and here you spout a foul race-baiting distortion of which Goebbels himself would be proud...
I have to say I'm a bit devastated by this. Just shocking...
I have to say I'm a bit devastated by this. Just shocking...
I am happy to have you not like my views, or challenge them but if you can't stop comparisons to Nazi's I will be forced to think you would be better off standing on a street corner selling pencils from a cup with your inflated sense of moral worthiness and condescending attitude which is either based on ignorant or intentional misunderstanding of my posts.
Do you need me to clarify my position once more on things like Nazism like I did in another thread because you would rather attempt character assassination and libel as a means to avoid debate with someone you disagree with and clearly do not understand?
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#28
Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
Accurate observation my dear Norm
I think it was Darwin who wrote that the Irishman was only slightly more developed than the savage af and scousers are all part bog trotter so perhaps in this case it matters not whether they were white or black. They, if one was to believe that Darwin was right, are just under developed from an evolutionary front and more prone to random acts of violence in their sky blue addidas trackies on the way to collect their dole cheque
Now I am sure some of bog trotters will fill aggrieved at being compared to being a bit better than savages by the great man Darwin but please direct any feelings of mistreatment to him and not me.
I can but read the words of a man who changed the way the world thought
I think it was Darwin who wrote that the Irishman was only slightly more developed than the savage af and scousers are all part bog trotter so perhaps in this case it matters not whether they were white or black. They, if one was to believe that Darwin was right, are just under developed from an evolutionary front and more prone to random acts of violence in their sky blue addidas trackies on the way to collect their dole cheque
Now I am sure some of bog trotters will fill aggrieved at being compared to being a bit better than savages by the great man Darwin but please direct any feelings of mistreatment to him and not me.
I can but read the words of a man who changed the way the world thought
In any case it goes back to some people refusing to accept personal and cultural responsibility and change their behaviour - humans can override instincts and control them...most choose to make excuses instead (blame what my granddad did to your granddad, or you're not giving me enough dole money for me to consider behaving decently etc).
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#29
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Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
Wow, really? You rail against illogical thinking and propaganda from so many sources, usually with much justification, and here you spout a foul race-baiting distortion of which Goebbels himself would be proud...
I have to say I'm a bit devastated by this. Just shocking...
I have to say I'm a bit devastated by this. Just shocking...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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Re: Four teenagers shot in one Merseyside street
What a peculiar world you inhabit - misunderstandings, deliberate or otherwise shock you quite easily.
I am happy to have you not like my views, or challenge them but if you can't stop comparisons to Nazi's I will be forced to think you would be better off standing on a street corner selling pencils from a cup with your inflated sense of moral worthiness and condescending attitude which is either based on ignorant or intentional misunderstanding of my posts.
Do you need me to clarify my position once more on things like Nazism like I did in another thread because you would rather attempt character assassination and libel as a means to avoid debate with someone you disagree with and clearly do not understand?
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I am happy to have you not like my views, or challenge them but if you can't stop comparisons to Nazi's I will be forced to think you would be better off standing on a street corner selling pencils from a cup with your inflated sense of moral worthiness and condescending attitude which is either based on ignorant or intentional misunderstanding of my posts.
Do you need me to clarify my position once more on things like Nazism like I did in another thread because you would rather attempt character assassination and libel as a means to avoid debate with someone you disagree with and clearly do not understand?
N.
There's a Zulu proverb that I like, though perhaps it's not evolved or civilised enough for you and your cohorts:
I cannot hear what you say for the thunder of what you are.