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Old Jun 3rd 2014, 4:39 am
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So we are not allowed to consume alcohol on Emirates aircraft despite it being offered for sale by the cabin crew? Yes, the silly Brit was drunk and acted badly but why the illegal alcohol consumption offence?

http://7daysindubai.com/drunk-passen...-dubai-flight/
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Originally Posted by mentalist View Post
So we are not allowed to consume alcohol on Emirates aircraft despite it being offered for sale by the cabin crew? Yes, the silly Brit was drunk and acted badly but why the illegal alcohol consumption offence?

http://7daysindubai.com/drunk-passen...-dubai-flight/
Depends where it was consumed - i.e. on ground or in international space.

It's the usual - don't screw up and you're fine. Screw up and they throw the rule book at you.

don't forget the misreporting.
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maybe she had outstanding and irresistible bumps??
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Old Jun 3rd 2014, 8:00 am
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Default Re: In Flight Booze Illegal?

Originally Posted by Norm_uk View Post
Without an alcohol license it is illegal for anyone to consume alcohol (and they also define that as having alcohol in one's system) in Dubai...
But since when has the Dubai government owned air space? If the booze was consumed in Dubai then fair enough. What if it was consumed before the flight even took off from Bangkok or wherever?
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Originally Posted by mentalist View Post
But since when has the Dubai government owned air space? If the booze was consumed in Dubai then fair enough. What if it was consumed before the flight even took off from Bangkok or wherever?
did you read the bit in brackets?
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Originally Posted by mentalist View Post
But since when has the Dubai government owned air space? If the booze was consumed in Dubai then fair enough. What if it was consumed before the flight even took off from Bangkok or wherever?
You fall under Dubai law (but not exclusively) because you're on an Emirates flight.
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Default Re: In Flight Booze Illegal?

Originally Posted by mentalist View Post
But since when has the Dubai government owned air space?
Every country owns its own airspace. There are instances where 'control' is delegated to another country but thats very rare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convent...Civil_Aviation "Article 1: Every state has complete and exclusive sovereignty over airspace above its territory."

There is a huge project ongoing for years in Europe named SESAR or Single European Skies. This has the aim of reducing the current number of Air Traffic Service Providers (ANSPs) in Europe from about 65 (one and often more than one for every country) to 5 or 6. The advatages are huge, no more sovereign airspace boundaries, so you could rejig the air routes to be much more direct without national interest conflicts. Only 5 or 6 ATC centres with all of the associated equipment and systems instead of 65 individual ones all with their own budgetry constraints. Data free flowing through the system. Controllers working airspace that is busy, opening more sectors as required and closing quiet ones, instead of the current case where some sectors remain open because they have to.

Despite enormous efforts by some ATC staff and a large amount of Euro's being spent the realisation, which most of us pointed out right at the start, is gradually coming home that this is a political poisoned chalice. No politician in their right mind (because they're aim is to be re-elected and their long term view is never more than 5 years ahead) will willing hand over control of their countries sovereign airspace to another country. Can you image the frothing at the mouth in the Daily Wail if the UK PM suggested handing our airspace over to the French (and it would be louder if it was vice versa)?
Just as an example Switzerland has two Area Control Centres, one in the French speaking part and one in the German side. They will not combine them into one, it is considered political suicide. So if the Swiss won't even close one of their centres what are the chances for the rest of Europe? Zero.

As an aside one of the biggest reasons I'm out here is that the future work for me in UK was going to be 90% SESAR and having had a taster there was no way I was interested. You do work with 10 or 12 countries to agree something and all the participants can see why and think it's sensible and pragmatic. Then they go home and explain to their bosses and you get a thumping big NON! Had enough banging my head against the wall.

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[QUOTE]Irishbeekeeper
maybe she had outstanding and irresistible bumps??[QUOTE]

Said every rapist ever. That comment is actually really offensive. Maybe she should wear an abaya as obviously men can't control themselves and she was obviously tempting him whilst at work wearing her work uniform? Obviously a complete scarlett.

Honestly, shouldn't a woman be able to go to work without being harassed because a guy can't keep his hands to himself.

FFS
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Default Re: In Flight Booze Illegal?

Originally Posted by Millhouse View Post
It's the usual - don't screw up and you're fine. Screw up and they throw the rule book at you.
This. Always.
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Aircraft and tourist areas are full of @rseholes who think they can behave the way they do in a British town centre on a Friday night. On an Emirates aircraft you are subject to Emirati law.
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Default Re: In Flight Booze Illegal?

Originally Posted by scot47 View Post
Aircraft and tourist areas are full of @rseholes who think they can behave the way they do in a British town centre on a Friday night. On an Emirates aircraft you are subject to Emirati law.
I find the non-Brits the most annoying in Airports and on aircraft.
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Originally Posted by scot47 View Post
On an Emirates aircraft you are subject to Emirati law.
Let me find my "preferred airline" list and strike Emirates off (along with a few others).
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Originally Posted by Norm_uk View Post
Alcohol in the blood system regardless of where consumed is enough to be arrested in the UAE if you have no booze license, even if you are stone cold sober.

As I already said in my original post...

N.
Exactly the same for drugs in the blood. During my 12 day sabbatical a German tourist had a 4 year sentence for drugs. Pot head in Germany arrested day 2 of his UAE experience and boom - screwed, royally.
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Default Re: In Flight Booze Illegal?

Originally Posted by Norm_uk View Post
If you drink on a BA flight and land in the UAE without a booze license you're breaking the law.

All airlines need to inform travellers of this because most people don't know. The UAE will need to change the law or issue some kind of permit for tourists and visitors if it wants to continue being an international tourist hub.
Since to obtain an alcohol licence you need:
Visa copy
Tenancy contract
Labour contract (issued by the Ministry of Labour)
no tourist can obtain a booze licence. Therefore this particular law is a bit daft.
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Originally Posted by mikewot View Post
Since to obtain an alcohol licence you need:
Visa copy
Tenancy contract
Labour contract (issued by the Ministry of Labour)
no tourist can obtain a booze licence. Therefore this particular law is a bit daft.
i thought tourists were exempt as long as it was in hotel grounds
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