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Farewell to a very brave lady..........

Old Nov 10th 2008, 9:32 am
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Miriam Makeba died last night, after collapsing on stage in Italy.

Apart from having a marvellous voice, she was an energetic anti-apartheid campaigner while exiled from South Africa for many years.

This barely does her justice:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...keba-dies.html
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Old Nov 10th 2008, 12:04 pm
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I am sorry but I have never heard of her, sad all the same though
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I am sorry but I have never heard of her, sad all the same though
The SA government at the height of apartheid tried everything to shut her up, exiling her, banning her records, etc...................

.......... but the icing on the cake was when she tried to return to SA for her mother's funeral - and was told her passport had "expired".......... bastards.

My SA mates reckon she was as big a female 'name' as Mandela is as a male name............ but she was exiled rather than imprisoned, so never became the focal point of protests like he did.
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Right...

I can never help looking at South Africa now and wondering if they thought their struggle was in vein? I've never been but from South Africans who've left I get the distinct impression that the country is regressing into a spiral of violence and crime that seems to have touched everyone. What sort of freedom is there in that?
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Right...

I can never help looking at South Africa now and wondering if they thought their struggle was in vein? I've never been but from South Africans who've left I get the distinct impression that the country is regressing into a spiral of violence and crime that seems to have touched everyone. What sort of freedom is there in that?
Just deleted my reply as it suddenly seemed hypocritical of me to post it in a thread about this wonderful lady.......

............. maybe tomorrow in another thread...........
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she was very well known in Holland...
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Right...

I can never help looking at South Africa now and wondering if they thought their struggle was in vein? I've never been but from South Africans who've left I get the distinct impression that the country is regressing into a spiral of violence and crime that seems to have touched everyone. What sort of freedom is there in that?
RIP Miriam Makeba :-(

There is no doubt that the country has some serious problems these days, but which South Africans are the one which mostly leave?
 
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Miriam Makeba died last night, after collapsing on stage in Italy.

Apart from having a marvellous voice, she was an energetic anti-apartheid campaigner while exiled from South Africa for many years.

This barely does her justice:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...keba-dies.html
I have to say, I've never heard of her.
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Originally Posted by MataHari View Post
she was very well known in Holland...
yeah but so were 'sniff'n'the tears'
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Right...

I can never help looking at South Africa now and wondering if they thought their struggle was in vein? I've never been but from South Africans who've left I get the distinct impression that the country is regressing into a spiral of violence and crime that seems to have touched everyone. What sort of freedom is there in that?
you come out with some real shit sometimes, you know that?
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you come out with some real shit sometimes, you know that?
he is right Spugsy, South Africa is a right mess
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he is right Spugsy, South Africa is a right mess
so bad that maybe they all wished it had never changed and apartheid was still going on?
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you come out with some real shit sometimes, you know that?
OK yesterday was my 'day of respect' for Mama Africa.........

Today........... sorry Spugsy, but Charismatic has it right.

Of course nobody is allowed to say so, because a proud but oppressed people, supported by the 'rest of the world', rose up and shook off the weight of the apartheid jackboot which had been firmly applied to the backs of their necks for generations, and the proud rainbow nation (sic) can now look at the rest of the world with pride, as a shining example of what can be achieved when ..... etc ..... etc .....

Many of the black majority are now starting to think the unthinkable - that many of them were simply better off - not socially, not morally, but economically - under apartheid......

Tough one to come to terms with, that............
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I have to say, I've never heard of her.
To Blue Cat and Spugsy, it's like asking who exactly is Bobby Robson? This magnificent lady will be sorely missed. RIP.
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OK yesterday was my 'day of respect' for Mama Africa.........

Today........... sorry Spugsy, but Charismatic has it right.

Of course nobody is allowed to say so, because a proud but oppressed people, supported by the 'rest of the world', rose up and shook off the weight of the apartheid jackboot which had been firmly applied to the backs of their necks for generations, and the proud rainbow nation (sic) can now look at the rest of the world with pride, as a shining example of what can be achieved when ..... etc ..... etc .....

Many of the black majority are now starting to think the unthinkable - that many of them were simply better off - not socially, not morally, but economically - under apartheid......

Tough one to come to terms with, that............
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