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Old Sep 12th 2015, 9:39 am
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Cameron was elected prime minister of the UK. The job of the PM is to govern on behalf of the country's population.

The population has quite clearly stated in myriad polls that they do not want the refugees/migrants.

So, what's the problem?

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Cameron was elected prime minister of the UK. The job of the PM is to govern on behalf of the country's population.

The population has quite clearly stated in myriad polls that they do not want the refugees/migrants.

So, what's the problem?

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The polling on Syrian refugees is fairly split, and Cameron has said he will take more anyway, it's a question of degree.
As for governing by opinion poll well I suppose the govt will be reversing the top rate of tax cut and reintroducing capital punishment will they?
Thought not.

In addition the polling is often contadictory, Govt plans to start deporting nurses in order to hit a migration target may please the people who want an overall reduction, but they are the same people who approve of health workers coming to work in the UK.
Same goes for foreign students.
Polls have shown a majority believing there are too many migrants since the early 60's, yet they also show people vastly overestimate the number of immigrants (by around a factor of 100%), similarly people are more likely to see immigration as a problem if they live in an area of very low immigration, those in higher aras much less so.
Not quite as simple as it seems is it?

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So... this is interesting. A friend of mine (based in Dubai) yesterday said goodbye to their Syrian friend (also working in Dubai) as she set off for Turkey. A holiday no... she was going to start the journey to Germany.

I wonder how many other Dubai based Syrians are quitting their jobs in shisha cafes to move to Europe. No wonder when you see them on the news they are taking selfies with smartphones and look swish.

If you think about it, it is a one way bet for them.
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So... this is interesting. A friend of mine (based in Dubai) yesterday said goodbye to their Syrian friend (also working in Dubai) as she set off for Turkey. A holiday no... she was going to start the journey to Germany.

I wonder how many other Dubai based Syrians are quitting their jobs in shisha cafes to move to Europe. No wonder when you see them on the news they are taking selfies with smartphones and look swish.

If you think about it, it is a one way bet for them.
It's a one way bet for Germany too, they need the labour as they are facing the same demographic profile that is killing Japan.Immigration is the only route out.Japan chose to oppose immigration and die as a country instead (forecast to lose 1/3 of it's population)


Syria had 85% smart phone coverage before the war so it's not a surprise Syrian refugees have smart phones.
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So... this is interesting. A friend of mine (based in Dubai) yesterday said goodbye to their Syrian friend (also working in Dubai) as she set off for Turkey. A holiday no... she was going to start the journey to Germany.

I wonder how many other Dubai based Syrians are quitting their jobs in shisha cafes to move to Europe. No wonder when you see them on the news they are taking selfies with smartphones and look swish.

If you think about it, it is a one way bet for them.
Yes. That is interesting.
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So... this is interesting. A friend of mine (based in Dubai) yesterday said goodbye to their Syrian friend (also working in Dubai) as she set off for Turkey. A holiday no... she was going to start the journey to Germany.

I wonder how many other Dubai based Syrians are quitting their jobs in shisha cafes to move to Europe. No wonder when you see them on the news they are taking selfies with smartphones and look swish.

If you think about it, it is a one way bet for them.
Don't forget Syria was a functioning (by ME standards anyway) country with a growing economy until 4 years ago. There is a huge difference between the migrants from Syria and the migrants from let's say Afghanistan (which apparently is the second largest group).

Also bear in mind that the first people to travel are always the ones with most resources. There are still 17.5 million people left in Syria with a large number being refugees in their own country. Most of them are unable to escape...

I'm sure the above happens quite a lot. Then again why wouldn't it? These people are often trapped in low-paying jobs in Dubai and other places. They are no different than the people already in Turkey looking to go further north. And they have resources...
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Fairly split?

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/09/06...fugee-numbers/

Migrant crisis: UK public 'split' over taking refugees - BBC News

Doesn't seem "fairly split" when nearly 60% are saying no more refugees beyond the current level or even fewer.

Everything else you mentioned is simply red herring.

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The polling on Syrian refugees is fairly split, and Cameron has said he will take more anyway, it's a question of degree.
As for governing by opinion poll well I suppose the govt will be reversing the top rate of tax cut and reintroducing capital punishment will they?
Thought not.

In addition the polling is often contadictory, Govt plans to start deporting nurses in order to hit a migration target may please the people who want an overall reduction, but they are the same people who approve of health workers coming to work in the UK.
Same goes for foreign students.
Polls have shown a majority believing there are too many migrants since the early 60's, yet they also show people vastly overestimate the number of immigrants (by around a factor of 100%), similarly people are more likely to see immigration as a problem if they live in an area of very low immigration, those in higher aras much less so.
Not quite as simple as it seems is it?
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Old Sep 13th 2015, 6:05 am
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Don't forget Syria was a functioning (by ME standards anyway) country with a growing economy until 4 years ago. There is a huge difference between the migrants from Syria and the migrants from let's say Afghanistan (which apparently is the second largest group).

Also bear in mind that the first people to travel are always the ones with most resources. There are still 17.5 million people left in Syria with a large number being refugees in their own country. Most of them are unable to escape...

I'm sure the above happens quite a lot. Then again why wouldn't it? These people are often trapped in low-paying jobs in Dubai and other places. They are no different than the people already in Turkey looking to go further north. And they have resources...
Don't misunderstand me - If I was them I would have done exactly the same. I don't really blame them either. Syrians are a smart bunch and this is the perfect opportunity to better themselves.

The thing I find interesting is that the case as presented in the media is one of helplessness -where in fact there is probably a reasonable chunk of them that are far from helpless and are simply opportunistic. The interesting thing for me is that these are exactly the ones that we would want yet this would undermine the case for taking them in. The immigration policy of the west is to suck in the dregs and leave out the good - a messed up type of immigration brain drain.
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It's a one way bet for Germany too, they need the labour as they are facing the same demographic profile that is killing Japan.Immigration is the only route out.Japan chose to oppose immigration and die as a country instead (forecast to lose 1/3 of it's population)


Syria had 85% smart phone coverage before the war so it's not a surprise Syrian refugees have smart phones.
These phones would be four years old.

It is far from a one-way bet for Germany. It is a path potentially covered in unknown, unexpected and incomprehensible problems.
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Fairly split?

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/09/06...fugee-numbers/

Migrant crisis: UK public 'split' over taking refugees - BBC News

Doesn't seem "fairly split" when nearly 60% are saying no more refugees beyond the current level or even fewer.

Everything else you mentioned is simply red herring.
Cameron has already ignored that polling and said UK will take more, so not really sure what your point is.
You can't really argue he's obeying the polls can you.
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Being a "Gastarbeiter" in Germany is no holiday !
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There is a meme doing the rounds on FB which I agree with. Basically the message is what happened in the UK during WW2 when the Germans were bombing our cities? Did we all ferck off to better places for a new start? No, we fought the Nazis and rebuilt our cities. We did not abandon the aged, the sick and the poor.
Why are these people basically doing just that, abandoning their 'homeland'.
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There is a meme doing the rounds on FB which I agree with. Basically the message is what happened in the UK during WW2 when the Germans were bombing our cities? Did we all ferck off to better places for a new start? No, we fought the Nazis and rebuilt our cities. We did not abandon the aged, the sick and the poor.
Why are these people basically doing just that, abandoning their 'homeland'.
I think this is somewhat misplaced. Syrians are actually quite proud people and would do their best to stay if there was hope. All hope has been lost - they have been at this for 4 years now...Over 7 million internally displaced people.
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There is a meme doing the rounds on FB which I agree with. Basically the message is what happened in the UK during WW2 when the Germans were bombing our cities? Did we all ferck off to better places for a new start? No, we fought the Nazis and rebuilt our cities. We did not abandon the aged, the sick and the poor.
Why are these people basically doing just that, abandoning their 'homeland'.

I wasn't aware that the largely unarmed British people were being attacked by their own heavily armed government.

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