The EU after Brexit
Jan 17th 2019, 5:23 am
#136
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Re: The EU after Brexit
Saw this on Facebook:
So Theresa goes to Brussels to get a deal she's never going to get, and comes back with a different deal parliament is never going to accept. Some of the Tories instigate a vote of no confidence in her that they're never going to win, paving the way for Theresa to put her deal to a vote she's never going to win (after she already delayed the previous vote on exactly the same deal because she was never going to win it). In response, Jeremy tables a motion of no confidence that he's never going to win, and now we'll be packing Theresa back off to Brussels to get some concessions that she's never going to get.
Jan 17th 2019, 6:22 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
I hope enough people see through the way he's behaved in driving this into the ground in thinning hopes of him securing a general election win out of it. His behaviour has put his own ambitions and desires ahead of everything else and whilst commendable (because **** me he's nearly managed it) it's disgraceful to be such an obvious champagne socialist.....but again, **** me, people believe him don't they?
But that's incidental, Labour party policy is voted on at conference and the strategy will always be deployed by committee, not by one person. I agree Corbyn is as useful as a one legged man at an @r$e kicking contest, but I wonder if he's serving a greater purpose for the time being.
The hammering he's took since becoming party leader has intensified, especially internally, and aside from his actual failings there's no doubt hostile forces are forever going to operate from within Labour. To summarize, perhaps he's window dressing and a decoy while the current government continues relentlessly to implode. Then to be replaced by someone more palatable at a key moment that's acceptable to most of the party, the public and before the Tories and media have had time to formulate any kind of attack.
Jan 17th 2019, 6:53 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
"Champagne socialist" is a nothing more than a slur and a misnomer, the case for socialism is to bring everyone's standard of living up i.e. champagne for everyone, rather than the fallacy opponents would have you believe.
But that's incidental, Labour party policy is voted on at conference and the strategy will always be deployed by committee, not by one person. I agree Corbyn is as useful as a one legged man at an @r$e kicking contest, but I wonder if he's serving a greater purpose for the time being.
The hammering he's took since becoming party leader has intensified, especially internally, and aside from his actual failings there's no doubt hostile forces are forever going to operate from within Labour. To summarize, perhaps he's window dressing and a decoy while the current government continues relentlessly to implode. Then to be replaced by someone more palatable at a key moment that's acceptable to most of the party, the public and before the Tories and media have had time to formulate any kind of attack.
But that's incidental, Labour party policy is voted on at conference and the strategy will always be deployed by committee, not by one person. I agree Corbyn is as useful as a one legged man at an @r$e kicking contest, but I wonder if he's serving a greater purpose for the time being.
The hammering he's took since becoming party leader has intensified, especially internally, and aside from his actual failings there's no doubt hostile forces are forever going to operate from within Labour. To summarize, perhaps he's window dressing and a decoy while the current government continues relentlessly to implode. Then to be replaced by someone more palatable at a key moment that's acceptable to most of the party, the public and before the Tories and media have had time to formulate any kind of attack.
I think the guys a fraud personally, he's been disruptive and unhelpful at every stage and is acting like he's leading a union, not a party. He's done some good things in his time, his anti-apartheid campaigning was seemingly relentless amongst other things but frankly, I don't see him as anything other than 'one of the boys'.
Theresa May is pointed at like the devil incarnate but the post above that was copied from facebook is very accurate. It's irrelevant who the PM is, if the other parties want to **** them in the arse, they will. It's just quite pleasing to see that nothing has succeeded in usurping her.
There must, must, must be a better option in Labour than him? Watson did a reasonable job I thought last night and was only overshadowed by Gove delivering something pretty spectacular (definitely didn't see that coming). Who else is there?
Jan 17th 2019, 8:02 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
I was on about the term "champagne socialist" being a misnomer rather than Corbyn, though I can't imagine 140k a year goes far in Islington after tax 
As for the rest I agree, he's an activist not a politician and spent his life in student politik. You only have to look at some of the dregs on the left that have manifested since he took on the role. I don't hold him accountable for these people but they've obviously become emboldened by him.
I'm currently not a Labour supporter so have no particuarly dog in that fight but Tom Watson, Hilary Benn, David Lammy, Stella Creasy?
As for the rest I agree, he's an activist not a politician and spent his life in student politik. You only have to look at some of the dregs on the left that have manifested since he took on the role. I don't hold him accountable for these people but they've obviously become emboldened by him.
I'm currently not a Labour supporter so have no particuarly dog in that fight but Tom Watson, Hilary Benn, David Lammy, Stella Creasy?
Jan 17th 2019, 8:07 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
I was on about the term "champagne socialist" being a misnomer rather than Corbyn, though I can't imagine 140k a year goes far in Islington after tax
As for the rest I agree, he's an activist not a politician and spent his life in student politik. You only have to look at some of the dregs on the left that have manifested since he took on the role. I don't hold him accountable for these people but they've obviously become emboldened by him.
I'm currently not a Labour supporter so have no particuarly dog in that fight but Tom Watson, Hilary Benn, David Lammy, Stella Creasy?
As for the rest I agree, he's an activist not a politician and spent his life in student politik. You only have to look at some of the dregs on the left that have manifested since he took on the role. I don't hold him accountable for these people but they've obviously become emboldened by him.
I'm currently not a Labour supporter so have no particuarly dog in that fight but Tom Watson, Hilary Benn, David Lammy, Stella Creasy?
Jan 17th 2019, 8:43 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
**** europe, just leave. It'll be a bit of a bumpy ride but we can rise above that and be Great Again.
Jan 18th 2019, 2:27 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
Jan 18th 2019, 8:32 am
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Spot on. We have all the right people in all the wrong jobs to pull this off. Nothing will go wrong.
Jan 18th 2019, 8:45 am
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Re: The EU after Brexit
The onlooking world is not so confident that it will all work out - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/o..._K0cjB-T81h3fE