EK in trouble?
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Training provided FOC, paid through it, serve a bit, see very little to no action, crossover training, job for life, big pension, thanks for coming.
Several mates gone down that route for this exact reason.
#17
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Anyway, it'll be drones before we know it. Probably with some vending machines onboard to get rid of the waitresses.
#18
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The old BA pension scheme has the largest deficit of any UK final salary scheme and can only support something like 50% of real liabilities. Anyone in that should get out. The newer schemes aren't all that, nor are the current schemes of other airlines.
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Sorry, meant the forces ones. Build 20 years of that and then 20 years of an airline pension and you're not going to struggle.
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Unless you are an MP or in the Civil Service the days of gold-plated pensions plans are pretty much gone.
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It's better than my non-existent pension, that's for sure.
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I read a really interesting - and scary - long piece (alas I can't remember where) about the Air France plane that crashed in the south Atlantic coming from Brazil a few years ago. Essentially the final conclusion is that the crash happened during the experienced Captain's rest period because the younger co-pilot, who only knew fly-by-wire planes, made a couple of significant judgement errors about the external environment that a more experienced "hands-on" pilot probably would not have made. The Captain woke up in time to realise what was happening but not to avert the crash (all captured on the voice recorders).
This interim between total human control and total machine control contains the potential for most issues, equally so on autonomous road vehicles. I say hand it all over to the machines now....
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But I think this is where the greatest risk lies: pilots are semi-engaged. It's like a much more extreme version of cruise control on a car - which I think should be banned anyway. It allows the driver to think its ok to be distracted and not give full attention to their driving.
I read a really interesting - and scary - long piece (alas I can't remember where) about the Air France plane that crashed in the south Atlantic coming from Brazil a few years ago. Essentially the final conclusion is that the crash happened during the experienced Captain's rest period because the younger co-pilot, who only knew fly-by-wire planes, made a couple of significant judgement errors about the external environment that a more experienced "hands-on" pilot probably would not have made. The Captain woke up in time to realise what was happening but not to avert the crash (all captured on the voice recorders).
This interim between total human control and total machine control contains the potential for most issues, equally so on autonomous road vehicles. I say hand it all over to the machines now....
I read a really interesting - and scary - long piece (alas I can't remember where) about the Air France plane that crashed in the south Atlantic coming from Brazil a few years ago. Essentially the final conclusion is that the crash happened during the experienced Captain's rest period because the younger co-pilot, who only knew fly-by-wire planes, made a couple of significant judgement errors about the external environment that a more experienced "hands-on" pilot probably would not have made. The Captain woke up in time to realise what was happening but not to avert the crash (all captured on the voice recorders).
This interim between total human control and total machine control contains the potential for most issues, equally so on autonomous road vehicles. I say hand it all over to the machines now....
I do like cruise control though, just for here on the main road to Abu Dhabi. Unlikely to use it otherwise....unless I've just been caught speeding then it's basically my limiter.
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Essentially the final conclusion is that the crash happened during the experienced Captain's rest period because the younger co-pilot, who only knew fly-by-wire planes, made a couple of significant judgement errors about the external environment that a more experienced "hands-on" pilot probably would not have made.
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But I think this is where the greatest risk lies: pilots are semi-engaged. It's like a much more extreme version of cruise control on a car - which I think should be banned anyway. It allows the driver to think its ok to be distracted and not give full attention to their driving.
I read a really interesting - and scary - long piece (alas I can't remember where) about the Air France plane that crashed in the south Atlantic coming from Brazil a few years ago. Essentially the final conclusion is that the crash happened during the experienced Captain's rest period because the younger co-pilot, who only knew fly-by-wire planes, made a couple of significant judgement errors about the external environment that a more experienced "hands-on" pilot probably would not have made. The Captain woke up in time to realise what was happening but not to avert the crash (all captured on the voice recorders).
This interim between total human control and total machine control contains the potential for most issues, equally so on autonomous road vehicles. I say hand it all over to the machines now....
I read a really interesting - and scary - long piece (alas I can't remember where) about the Air France plane that crashed in the south Atlantic coming from Brazil a few years ago. Essentially the final conclusion is that the crash happened during the experienced Captain's rest period because the younger co-pilot, who only knew fly-by-wire planes, made a couple of significant judgement errors about the external environment that a more experienced "hands-on" pilot probably would not have made. The Captain woke up in time to realise what was happening but not to avert the crash (all captured on the voice recorders).
This interim between total human control and total machine control contains the potential for most issues, equally so on autonomous road vehicles. I say hand it all over to the machines now....
i have always been under the impression that pilots get paid loads, especially given the amount of training/qualifying they have to do
so how much does a pilot earn on average?
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