Defence of Islam and Locals
Aug 1st 2010, 7:10 am
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Re: Defence of Islam and Locals
And there we have the other side of the coin. Some troll saying all American Christians are nutters like that guy Phelps. Not very helpful.
I'm surprised Norm hasn't been on this thread yet...
I'm surprised Norm hasn't been on this thread yet...
Aug 1st 2010, 7:22 am
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Re: Defence of Islam and Locals
I blame the Swedes. Abba and their aluminum extremist socialistic dogmas. Can ANYONE defend Abba?
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Aug 1st 2010, 8:44 am
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Re: Defence of Islam and Locals
once again who rattled your cage but yes my point is who here who is relatively neutral with experience has managed to maintain a neutral or even positive view.
perfectly valid question as are the reasons for excluding some from answering
Aug 1st 2010, 9:06 am
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Re: Defence of Islam and Locals
Shiva, you raise an interesting point.
Culturally it is hard to adapt in the UAE and that is due to the divide, there is critisism where it warrants but the abuse and downright ignorance of some is beyond belief, the other thread for example about "i saw something interesting today" how many times have we witnessed a expat woman in the UAE without manners, being rude to staff, their kids abusing the maid, and yet it is never raised only when a UAE nataional child who obviously has manners is berated on a forum for the hard work that the child parents have put in !!!!
Not all UAE nationals are the stereotype that people have an image of !!
I wish really there was a meeting point where this could be portrayed and just maybe some of the negative views of people who have little or no understanding could be quashed.
Culturally it is hard to adapt in the UAE and that is due to the divide, there is critisism where it warrants but the abuse and downright ignorance of some is beyond belief, the other thread for example about "i saw something interesting today" how many times have we witnessed a expat woman in the UAE without manners, being rude to staff, their kids abusing the maid, and yet it is never raised only when a UAE nataional child who obviously has manners is berated on a forum for the hard work that the child parents have put in !!!!
Not all UAE nationals are the stereotype that people have an image of !!
I wish really there was a meeting point where this could be portrayed and just maybe some of the negative views of people who have little or no understanding could be quashed.
cliches and stereotypes become just that because of the frequency of behavior. it may not be palatable or true in 100% of case but it is true enough that they become stereotypical.
I already said that there are plenty of people who do not fit the stereotype but in my experience most dont live in the cities.
I too wish there could be a meeting point but were that to ever happen one of the keys would have to be the local acceptance that there is enough ill behaviour within the local community to warrant that attitude that they so hate and deny existing. In the interest of fairness I will gladly acknowledge that there is an ever increasing array of arsehole expats who must drive nationals nuts.
if the uae is to have a multicultural future then (and its true for the whole gcc) the locals must accept that there are huge issues within its population and with its populations attitude to non nationals.
non nationals generally come here with open minds but that is slowly beaten out of them with experience.
20 years ago we all lived together to jointly build a country for our joint future, now however its is so clear in the younger generations that expats are virtually hated that most expats think "**** you then i'll make my money and go home"
a joint future was baba zayeds dream and plan but since his death that ethos has died a horrible painful death and where we are today has a bleak future.
ask your emirati family if they think the country has changed direction for the better or worse since his death? we both know what the answer will be.
Zayed would be spinning in his grave at the thought of the animosity that now exists, that there are locals from lesser family names who are living almost destitute and expats who care little for the countries future!
Aug 1st 2010, 9:10 am
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Re: Defence of Islam and Locals
when criticism is born not of ignorance but years of first hand experience and knowledge then whilst it may be unpalatable it cannot just be dismissed off hand as is happening more and more
Aug 1st 2010, 9:48 am
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which is really where the problem is, as any criticism is instantly labeled as uninformed and racist.
when criticism is born not of ignorance but years of first hand experience and knowledge then whilst it may be unpalatable it cannot just be dismissed off hand as is happening more and more
when criticism is born not of ignorance but years of first hand experience and knowledge then whilst it may be unpalatable it cannot just be dismissed off hand as is happening more and more
Aug 1st 2010, 11:39 am
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Trolls are really tiresome.
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Aug 1st 2010, 12:06 pm
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its probably because we all know and accept that the shitty expat brats are not the norm and clearly in the wrong whereas the polite emirati child is unusual enough for one poster to comment upon.
cliches and stereotypes become just that because of the frequency of behavior. it may not be palatable or true in 100% of case but it is true enough that they become stereotypical.
I already said that there are plenty of people who do not fit the stereotype but in my experience most dont live in the cities.
I too wish there could be a meeting point but were that to ever happen one of the keys would have to be the local acceptance that there is enough ill behaviour within the local community to warrant that attitude that they so hate and deny existing. In the interest of fairness I will gladly acknowledge that there is an ever increasing array of arsehole expats who must drive nationals nuts.
if the uae is to have a multicultural future then (and its true for the whole gcc) the locals must accept that there are huge issues within its population and with its populations attitude to non nationals.
non nationals generally come here with open minds but that is slowly beaten out of them with experience.
20 years ago we all lived together to jointly build a country for our joint future, now however its is so clear in the younger generations that expats are virtually hated that most expats think "**** you then i'll make my money and go home"
a joint future was baba zayeds dream and plan but since his death that ethos has died a horrible painful death and where we are today has a bleak future.
ask your emirati family if they think the country has changed direction for the better or worse since his death? we both know what the answer will be.
Zayed would be spinning in his grave at the thought of the animosity that now exists, that there are locals from lesser family names who are living almost destitute and expats who care little for the countries future!
cliches and stereotypes become just that because of the frequency of behavior. it may not be palatable or true in 100% of case but it is true enough that they become stereotypical.
I already said that there are plenty of people who do not fit the stereotype but in my experience most dont live in the cities.
I too wish there could be a meeting point but were that to ever happen one of the keys would have to be the local acceptance that there is enough ill behaviour within the local community to warrant that attitude that they so hate and deny existing. In the interest of fairness I will gladly acknowledge that there is an ever increasing array of arsehole expats who must drive nationals nuts.
if the uae is to have a multicultural future then (and its true for the whole gcc) the locals must accept that there are huge issues within its population and with its populations attitude to non nationals.
non nationals generally come here with open minds but that is slowly beaten out of them with experience.
20 years ago we all lived together to jointly build a country for our joint future, now however its is so clear in the younger generations that expats are virtually hated that most expats think "**** you then i'll make my money and go home"
a joint future was baba zayeds dream and plan but since his death that ethos has died a horrible painful death and where we are today has a bleak future.
ask your emirati family if they think the country has changed direction for the better or worse since his death? we both know what the answer will be.
Zayed would be spinning in his grave at the thought of the animosity that now exists, that there are locals from lesser family names who are living almost destitute and expats who care little for the countries future!
On your final comment Shk Zayed did a great deal for his nationals, since he passed away this has all changed, there is a great deal of resentment from the UAE nationals towards to expats why ?? let me give you an example, the Beach Road was the origional "jumeriah" where all the nationals lived, along came a Shk and said give me your land and I will give you a house fully built and worth more, he took the land, gave the nationals villas next to a sewerage plant and then sold of the land to non nationals at a greater profit, the national feel that their prime land and positions are taken by expats who come and abuse the system, flaunt the laws and then go home leaving the nationals priced out of buying a home in an area that they came from and no positions available to them.
Having said all of that there is a minset with some UAE nationals that feel that they should be given everything for doing nothing, this unfortunatley has been bought about by greed and money and a false upbringing. They also feel they have the right to flout the laws and get away with it as it is their country, little do they realise that with this attitude they are making it far worse. 65% of the small UAE population live below what expats would class as the breadline and that is sad. To see an old man who has no children standing on the side of the road begging for a lift in this heat with no home to go to is a sad situation and the UAE need to adress and put some money back into the society at a lower level rather than keep feeding the fat money grabbers at the top.
Sad as it is, I cannot see things changing soon.
Aug 1st 2010, 2:25 pm
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Re: Defence of Islam and Locals
let me give you an example, the Beach Road was the origional "jumeriah" where all the nationals lived, along came a Shk and said give me your land and I will give you a house fully built and worth more, he took the land, gave the nationals villas next to a sewerage plant and then sold of the land to non nationals at a greater profit,
Aug 1st 2010, 2:28 pm
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Aug 2nd 2010, 10:46 am
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In the area they I am speaking about yes as it comes under the "jumeriah gardens" area. I dont know if they are still selling the plots but they were some time ago.
Aug 3rd 2010, 6:45 am
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I am interested in the source of this statistic, and what is defined as the "breadline" here. I know there is poverty in the UAE and it varies thoughtout each Emirate, but who (said 65%) and what is considered the line under which someone here is considered or described or as poor?
Aug 3rd 2010, 12:26 pm
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Interesting I was with a national last night for dinner and we were discussing the UAE and how it had become, he is a pure national and he is horrified at the way the UAE has become, he said that there was no forward planning but just greed on behalf of the UAE, he used an observation that if you follow a recepie for a cake but decide to add ingrediants from another recepie you would end up with a mess and that is what the UAE has done, they did not test out having so many nationalities with different cultural and religious beliefs, he said it is a clear recepie for disaster.
On your final comment Shk Zayed did a great deal for his nationals, since he passed away this has all changed, there is a great deal of resentment from the UAE nationals towards to expats why ?? let me give you an example, the Beach Road was the origional "jumeriah" where all the nationals lived, along came a Shk and said give me your land and I will give you a house fully built and worth more, he took the land, gave the nationals villas next to a sewerage plant and then sold of the land to non nationals at a greater profit, the national feel that their prime land and positions are taken by expats who come and abuse the system, flaunt the laws and then go home leaving the nationals priced out of buying a home in an area that they came from and no positions available to them.
Having said all of that there is a minset with some UAE nationals that feel that they should be given everything for doing nothing, this unfortunatley has been bought about by greed and money and a false upbringing. They also feel they have the right to flout the laws and get away with it as it is their country, little do they realise that with this attitude they are making it far worse. 65% of the small UAE population live below what expats would class as the breadline and that is sad. To see an old man who has no children standing on the side of the road begging for a lift in this heat with no home to go to is a sad situation and the UAE need to adress and put some money back into the society at a lower level rather than keep feeding the fat money grabbers at the top.
Sad as it is, I cannot see things changing soon.
On your final comment Shk Zayed did a great deal for his nationals, since he passed away this has all changed, there is a great deal of resentment from the UAE nationals towards to expats why ?? let me give you an example, the Beach Road was the origional "jumeriah" where all the nationals lived, along came a Shk and said give me your land and I will give you a house fully built and worth more, he took the land, gave the nationals villas next to a sewerage plant and then sold of the land to non nationals at a greater profit, the national feel that their prime land and positions are taken by expats who come and abuse the system, flaunt the laws and then go home leaving the nationals priced out of buying a home in an area that they came from and no positions available to them.
Having said all of that there is a minset with some UAE nationals that feel that they should be given everything for doing nothing, this unfortunatley has been bought about by greed and money and a false upbringing. They also feel they have the right to flout the laws and get away with it as it is their country, little do they realise that with this attitude they are making it far worse. 65% of the small UAE population live below what expats would class as the breadline and that is sad. To see an old man who has no children standing on the side of the road begging for a lift in this heat with no home to go to is a sad situation and the UAE need to adress and put some money back into the society at a lower level rather than keep feeding the fat money grabbers at the top.
Sad as it is, I cannot see things changing soon.
