Cyprus 'bailout'
 

Bailout levy

- Depositors with under 100,000 euros deposited must pay 6.75%
- Those with more than 100,000 in their accounts must pay 9.9%
- Depositors will be compensated with the equivalent amount in shares in their banks


I love this approach - rather than raising taxes that may not actually come and cripples you going forward, the population has been forced to buy shares in the banks. Ballsy move.

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But if everyone takes their money out of the banks...

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that is an unintended consequence I am not here to think about. :rofl:

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Smart money is already gone.

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According to Sky news, there is €70 billion on deposit in their banks, €20 billion of it Russian money.

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A new variant on currency reform. You waken up and your money - or some of it - has gone.

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The money hasnt "gone" - it has been transferred into the form of shares of the bank.

What would worry me more is that this is the first time the governements have done this and would this be a new standard. I think Monday/Tuesday you may see bank runs especially in Greece and Spain. If that does happen then the Euro will go down to a new lower and the markets will lose their recent gains.

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It's gone then, no? You have just described a debt-equity swap - and debt is the driver of money under a fiat monetary system. The value may not have gone though -- if you believe the banks will be there tomorrow once the run is over.

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Was talking to a colleague who is from Cyprus and his wife is still living there. Apparently there were riots last night in some areas and all the ATM's have been blocked so nobody can take money out!

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Shame for the folks living there, still, I have absolute faith in an Cypriot government to manage the economy out of this.

:rofl::rofl:

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But the Cypriot Government is just like Greece, they're in there for themselves.

A previous company I worked for would regularly pay massive bribes to Greece/Cyprus to win business.

It lined the pockets of the ministers/CEOs etc. but it's basically broike the countries.

To give you an example, we would usually charge around 10cents for a transaction, with Cyprus and Greece we charged over $20.

And purely to pay the bribes.

Ridiculous.

I do feel sorry for the populace, but they did vote the government in.

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Their options are limited though, no?

Same shit different toilet.

It's inherent in the Greeks to be ****ing lazy and avoid all costs to government etc. Dad lives in Crete and the tricks they pull to avoid council taxes etc etc are just mad. Pretend to build an extra floor, just leave some reinforced columsn sticking out the top and tell the council you've not finished building yet so don't have to pay council tax.

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I wonder if the Russian Government will help all the Russians who have money in Cyprus? Limassol is known locally as “Lima-grad”.

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It is the most outrageous and astonishing thing I've heard in EUR-history (and that is a tough title to win). The banks are insolvent so the shares are worthless (try to work out the 'book value' for some of those banks....) - and you cannot sell the shares anyway........

It is another nail in the EURO-coffin..... and I worry about this sort of thing on a wider socio-economic scale: at some point (maybe not far off) the people of Europe (particularly in the southern nations) will rise up in civil violence against austerity, etc, while those in the north will rise up against their taxes being raised again and again to pay for the profligacy of southern governments.

Then, gangs of racist vigilantes will start patrolling the streets, torching houses and intimidating residents in largely immigrant neighbourhoods, because far right parties and pressure groups will have convinced them that immigrants are to blame for unemployment, high taxes, high unemployment, etc..........

One day, future history students will find plenty of material for their dissertations on The European Civil War of the early-21st-century........ :(

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That's so extreme it's probably going to happen.

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There are some horror vigilante stories coming out of Egypt(i know it's not in Europe!) now. Anarchy. Very chilling.

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I think this is what is commonly referred to as a 'masterpiece'

Just remind me again why it was so dastardly and terrible before the EU that we could not possibly go back? Better still, talk me through all the efficiency and benefits for establishing the EU.

Can't help feeling there is an unfeasbily large dose of self interest here being administered by those well versed in the art of survival.

Here's a thought - why not have the money that is being compulsorily acquired from anyone in Southern Europe matched Euro for Euro from the individual savings accounts, pensions, and the like from those in Brussels, Germany etc

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Nigel nails it once again

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And all this from an institution whose own auditors have refused to sign off their accounts for at least the last 18 years - go figure ...

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This combined with the recent EU Cyprus proposal just proves that the whole EU organisation is intellectually bankrupt

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How I see is (while living (and hating it) in germany), is that it's just another ploy from the arrogant krauts who want to take the Russian Money (well they failed to take over the country didn't they).

From BBC

So, instead of the Chinese, I blame the germans. Horrible, horrible race.

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If you are not trolling then you are very sick.

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Are you writing on the correct thread? Please elaborate.

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Have you lived there? And no, not trolling, despise them.

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Good article on the BBC by Paul Mason

Here.

Germans, trying to take over Europe by €€€€, well they always fail with guns.

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OK, it's the Daily Fail but, really, would it surprise anybody?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ey-abroad.html