Corporal Punishment
Jan 10th 2011, 6:59 am
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Re: Corporal Punishment
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Jan 10th 2011, 7:00 am
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Jan 10th 2011, 7:31 am
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Re: Corporal Punishment
I'd be interested to know if he thinks that there is a general lack of respect for teachers in many schools (in the UK in particular) these days. When I was a child, it was expected that you were polite to all adults and listened to them, but children don't seem to be taught that so much these days.
Seems a shame as badly-behaved, ill-mannered children grow up to be rude, unpleasant adults and we have enough of those as it is...
Seems a shame as badly-behaved, ill-mannered children grow up to be rude, unpleasant adults and we have enough of those as it is...
Jan 10th 2011, 7:43 am
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We don't smack mini... unless of course he bites our ass while we are washing up and then he gets an immediate clump around the head. He doesn't do that very often these days.
Jan 10th 2011, 8:20 am
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Re: Corporal Punishment
But you can still teach children to behave respectfully towards adults. Earning respect is a concept for adults, not for small children who tend to either like or dislike someone so need to be taught about behaving respectfully.
Jan 10th 2011, 9:14 am
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Re: Corporal Punishment
Jan 10th 2011, 9:21 am
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Re: Corporal Punishment
As Meow said, its the difference between respect for the position / authority, and respect for the person. I've worked for numerous people for whom I've had zero respect, but I've still respected their position (and my need to keep a job).
My parents instilled in me the need for respect for my teachers, and I've done the same to my children but have, as they've matured, given tolerance for them to discern the qualities of their teachers as people but still insisted that they respect the position.
My parents instilled in me the need for respect for my teachers, and I've done the same to my children but have, as they've matured, given tolerance for them to discern the qualities of their teachers as people but still insisted that they respect the position.
Jan 10th 2011, 9:40 am
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Re: Corporal Punishment
As Meow said, its the difference between respect for the position / authority, and respect for the person. I've worked for numerous people for whom I've had zero respect, but I've still respected their position (and my need to keep a job).
My parents instilled in me the need for respect for my teachers, and I've done the same to my children but have, as they've matured, given tolerance for them to discern the qualities of their teachers as people but still insisted that they respect the position.
My parents instilled in me the need for respect for my teachers, and I've done the same to my children but have, as they've matured, given tolerance for them to discern the qualities of their teachers as people but still insisted that they respect the position.
What I teach my children is politeness, but not blind respect.
And children in general do what they see and not what they are told. So if the parents behave like morons usually their children are not much different. Same with nice parents, they have usually nice children.
So my children are very nice and very perfect :-)
Jan 10th 2011, 9:41 am
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Re: Corporal Punishment
I'm a firm believer that kids should be given three chances. Install CCTV in every classroom. If you catch a pupil doing something absolutely out of order (like jumping up on the tables, running across the tables in the classroom then launching themselves into the air and punching another pupil – something that happened in an year 10 english class I was in) they have one strike and the video evidence records it.
Three of those things – suspendible or expellable offenses, and rather than play pass the parcel with them amongst the schools in an LEA, they should be sent to army school and told they will spend the rest of their education there, where after it, they will be made to serve for at least 10 years in the forces.
If they decide that they want to mess about there, then I'm all for typical punishments for insubordination being doled out. If they've made it that far, then perhaps corporal punishment should be tried.
But in the regular school system? Nope.
Three of those things – suspendible or expellable offenses, and rather than play pass the parcel with them amongst the schools in an LEA, they should be sent to army school and told they will spend the rest of their education there, where after it, they will be made to serve for at least 10 years in the forces.
If they decide that they want to mess about there, then I'm all for typical punishments for insubordination being doled out. If they've made it that far, then perhaps corporal punishment should be tried.
But in the regular school system? Nope.
Jan 10th 2011, 9:58 am
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Re: Corporal Punishment
I'm a firm believer that kids should be given three chances. Install CCTV in every classroom. If you catch a pupil doing something absolutely out of order (like jumping up on the tables, running across the tables in the classroom then launching themselves into the air and punching another pupil – something that happened in an year 10 english class I was in) they have one strike and the video evidence records it.
Three of those things – suspendible or expellable offenses, and rather than play pass the parcel with them amongst the schools in an LEA, they should be sent to army school and told they will spend the rest of their education there, where after it, they will be made to serve for at least 10 years in the forces.
If they decide that they want to mess about there, then I'm all for typical punishments for insubordination being doled out. If they've made it that far, then perhaps corporal punishment should be tried.
But in the regular school system? Nope.
Three of those things – suspendible or expellable offenses, and rather than play pass the parcel with them amongst the schools in an LEA, they should be sent to army school and told they will spend the rest of their education there, where after it, they will be made to serve for at least 10 years in the forces.
If they decide that they want to mess about there, then I'm all for typical punishments for insubordination being doled out. If they've made it that far, then perhaps corporal punishment should be tried.
But in the regular school system? Nope.
People respond to incentives - not punishment.
Jan 10th 2011, 11:14 am
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Re: Corporal Punishment
1 Do you have a job?
2 Are you really condoning your kids telling their teachers they're jerks?
Much of life requires us to bite our lips--anyone who truly believes s/he can and will always speak his/her mind is in for trouble, much the same as the person who never does. Compromise is a prequisite of a functional society.
Jan 10th 2011, 12:29 pm
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Re: Corporal Punishment
Two questions spring to mind:
1 Do you have a job?
2 Are you really condoning your kids telling their teachers they're jerks?
Much of life requires us to bite our lips--anyone who truly believes s/he can and will always speak his/her mind is in for trouble, much the same as the person who never does. Compromise is a prequisite of a functional society.
1 Do you have a job?
2 Are you really condoning your kids telling their teachers they're jerks?
Much of life requires us to bite our lips--anyone who truly believes s/he can and will always speak his/her mind is in for trouble, much the same as the person who never does. Compromise is a prequisite of a functional society.
To 2.If they have a reason for a complaint, they have my full back-up. I wouldn't like my children to be yes-sayers all the time.