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Old Nov 21st 2012, 4:00 pm
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DM is reporting that a Chinese company is to build a skyscraper that will be 32 feet taller than the Burj Khalifa, and stunningly it will be built in 3 months!
Some of you here have seen that Chinese multi story building go up in a week or 2, but this sort of super scraper is unique so I am highly skeptical they can knock it out in 3 months.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...EE-MONTHS.html

Have to say, it is butt ugly. Like something out of the Communist era with how blocky it is.
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Old Nov 21st 2012, 5:04 pm
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Looks like an etch-a-sketch version of the Khalifa.

Or maybe the MS-Dos to the khalifa's iPad.
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So it's going to cost about half as much as Burj Khalifa and take 5% of the time to build. Yeah, this is a disaster waiting to happen.

I see the company has concerns about structural rigidity, but frankly I'd be more worried about the corners they will be cutting to hit the ridiculously short deadline.
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I really cant see how the stated programme works - even if it is all a shedload of steel frame pods prefabricated and craned in there is no way if they havent been given a NTP they can have manufactured the amount required in time to start by the end of December.

All this is assuming they will actually not cut corners when bolting it all together on site, which they will because everybody does with prefab.
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I really cant see how the stated programme works - even if it is all a shedload of steel frame pods prefabricated and craned in there is no way if they havent been given a NTP they can have manufactured the amount required in time to start by the end of December.

All this is assuming they will actually not cut corners when bolting it all together on site, which they will because everybody does with prefab.
T5 is prefab.
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I really cant see how the stated programme works - even if it is all a shedload of steel frame pods prefabricated and craned in there is no way if they havent been given a NTP they can have manufactured the amount required in time to start by the end of December.

All this is assuming they will actually not cut corners when bolting it all together on site, which they will because everybody does with prefab.
If this was Switzerland or Germany it would still elicit skepticism.

Off on a tangent but it does seem like the johnny come latelys are the ones trying to prove something by building the tallest phallic symbol; you don't hear about Switzerland, Germany, Japan, Sweden, UK, USA,Canada trying to build the tallest building.
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If this was Switzerland or Germany it would still elicit skepticism.

Off on a tangent but it does seem like the johnny come latelys are the ones trying to prove something by building the tallest phallic symbol; you don't hear about Switzerland, Germany, Japan, Sweden, UK, USA,Canada trying to build the tallest building.
Western-phallic envy.
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Default Re: China to beat Burj Khalifa

Originally Posted by Boomhauer View Post
DM is reporting that a Chinese company is to build a skyscraper that will be 32 feet taller than the Burj Khalifa, and stunningly it will be built in 3 months!
Some of you here have seen that Chinese multi story building go up in a week or 2, but this sort of super scraper is unique so I am highly skeptical they can knock it out in 3 months.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...EE-MONTHS.html

Have to say, it is butt ugly. Like something out of the Communist era with how blocky it is.
3 months
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The catch, obviously (assuming the story is true), is in the definition of "build". If it equates to "erect", then I suppose it may be possible... Everything that can be prefabricated off-site is prefabricated off site: structural elements, building services, modular components (eg bathrooms, complete with all fittings), facade (including fenestration). Get the foundations done (which alone would probably take longer than 3 months, so presumably not included in the schedule), then throw as many tower cranes and people at it as the site will take. Stop regular traffic from using all the surrounding roads and access roads from the pre-fab sites, permit 24-hour working, and go balls-out to get the structure + modular bits up. Fitting out not included in the 3 months.

Still bollocks for something of that size.
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Basically all steel structures are prefab.
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The catch, obviously (assuming the story is true), is in the definition of "build". If it equates to "erect", then I suppose it may be possible... Everything that can be prefabricated off-site is prefabricated off site: structural elements, building services, modular components (eg bathrooms, complete with all fittings), facade (including fenestration). Get the foundations done (which alone would probably take longer than 3 months, so presumably not included in the schedule), then throw as many tower cranes and people at it as the site will take. Stop regular traffic from using all the surrounding roads and access roads from the pre-fab sites, permit 24-hour working, and go balls-out to get the structure + modular bits up. Fitting out not included in the 3 months.

Still bollocks for something of that size.
Aside from the foundations and the cheat of basically building it all off site, to erect that in 3 months would be an amazing feat. The logistics of it must be insane, plus I am sure the element size of the units is severely restricted by the road network and what be physically lifted and transported (take 20T as being a maximum lifting capacity).
Those crazy Chinese. The rigidity problem must be due to the bolted nature of it all. A few (thousand) site welders might cure that
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Seems a bit of a tall order to me.
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And I bet they'd still use bamboo scaffolding...
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Basically all steel structures are prefab.
Insides of the place too though.
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And I bet they'd still use bamboo scaffolding...
When I first saw that in Hong Kong on a very tall building, my flabber was well and truly gasted.
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